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PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 1:46 pm    Post subject: Please test raster engine on Qt packages Reply with quote

Hello there,

Qt team is considering to enable raster graphics engine[1] by default on Qt packages ( that is qt-gui ). In order to proceed, we need you to enable this use flag, rebuild qt-gui, as well as testing as many Qt apps as you can. Please report possible bugs related to this graphics backend directly to this thread or gentoo bugzilla

Additionally, if you don't feel like recompiling the whole qt-gui module, you can simply test the raster engine by adding
Code:
-graphicssystem raster
when launching a Qt application.

e.g.:
Code:
qmpdclient -graphicssystem raster


[1]: http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/2008/10/22/so-long-and-thanks-for-the-blit/


Thank you in advanced

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 3:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No problems (yet) with gwenview -graphicssystem raster

For reference, gwenview -graphicssystem opengl is fine for graphics, but the text is garbled.

I'll recompile qt-gui, and see how we go :-)
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 7:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Plasma-desktop isn't usable with OpenGL, but works with raster. KMess works better with OpenGL, still has issues with text, but raster is fine.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 8:21 pm    Post subject: Re: Please test raster engine on Qt packages Reply with quote

Hwoarang wrote:
Qt team is considering to enable raster graphics engine[1] by default on Qt packages ( that is qt-gui ). [...]

[1]: http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/2008/10/22/so-long-and-thanks-for-the-blit/


That blog entry is over a year old (October 22, 2008). Is the info there still true for Qt 4.6.x?

Edit:
KDevelop recently switched from forcing raster to whatever the default is on a system with the explanation being that "-graphicssystem native" is not slower than raster anymore.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 8:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've had the raster useflag turned on for months with no problems.

Also I just tried opening qgit with opengl; it didn't crash but it's far too slow to be of any use.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 8:36 pm    Post subject: Re: Please test raster engine on Qt packages Reply with quote

RealNC wrote:
Hwoarang wrote:
Qt team is considering to enable raster graphics engine[1] by default on Qt packages ( that is qt-gui ). [...]

[1]: http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/2008/10/22/so-long-and-thanks-for-the-blit/


That blog entry is over a year old (October 22, 2008). Is the info there still true for Qt 4.6.x?


Ι know it is one year old. I didnt post the link for the performance results as I assume that they wont be the same in Qt-4.6.X. I posted that link so you can understand what raster engine is and how it works in case you haven't heard it before
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 8:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know what raster is. The question is simply whether it has the same benefits with recent Qt version as it had in the past. If not, there's no point in switching to it by default.

Edit:
I've rebuilt qt-gui with raster and restarted KDE. There doesn't seem to be any breakage. Everything looks and behaves the same as before.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 8:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Recompiling qt-gui now. Oh, and the graphicssystem opengl does not work for any app for me. Raster seems to work fine. Let's see how this goes.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 9:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I found a problem with raster. Opening a big file in Qt Creator and scrolling up/down very fast results in X using 35-40% CPU and the qtcreator process uses 15%.

With "-graphicssystem native" X uses 15-20% CPU and qtcreator 6-9%.

Raster stresses the CPU twice as much as native. Doesn't look too good to me :P
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 9:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

which Qt version? 4.6.2?
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 9:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, 4.6.2. I'm on AMD64.

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[ebuild   R   ] x11-libs/qt-gui-4.6.2  USE="accessibility dbus exceptions glib mng qt3support raster tiff (-aqua) -cups -debug -gtk -nas -nis -pch -xinerama"
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 10:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can't notice any difference so far. (~x86 here)
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 10:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Qt Designer is pretty much the only app where I can reproduce this though. Maybe a false alert. I panicked because Qt Creator was the first thing I tried to test with raster :P
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 12:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

With the raster engine, I can now visit the new kde.org with Konqueror without it lagging horribly :)

Recompiling qt-gui now 8)
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 1:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have been running qt-gui with raster useflag for quite a while now, haven't noticed any bugs, but didn't feel any speedup either.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 3:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm currently running with the raster useflag enabled on Qt 4.6.0 and KDE 4.3.4 (w/ crappy fglrx drivers).

Most apps feel much faster (especially Okular and to a lesser extent Konqueror). They seem to use a lot of memory after having run for a long time, but I'm not really sure about how this compares to the "native" renderer.

However, I get some graphical corruptions with Konqueror : screenshot.

BTW, I've also tried the "opengl" renderer: it is very slow, the display is corrupted (with black rectangles or triangles that don't paint synchronously) and often crashes the whole application...
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 3:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The OpenGL renderer is known not to work, so you don't need to test that actually.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 4:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I get some minor problems with Konqueror, too. For me, the text sometimes gets blurred, and sometimes the links or images move by a pixel when hovered. Nothing serious, though.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 10:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Everything seems to work properly here after qt-gui re-emerging. This includes:

  • www-client/arora
  • net-im/psi
  • kde-misc/krusader
  • dev-util/eric
  • dev-util/qtcreator
  • kde-base/okular
  • net-p2p/transmission

That's more or less extensively used apps, I'll keep eyes open.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 9:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

All menus drawn by Qt in www-client/opera lacks icons. Should I report it to bugzilla?

opera -graphicssystem native works fine.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 9:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here, with the raster useflag turned on, applications run much faster the difference is notable in Kgeography for example. Everything works properly.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 4:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

krigstask wrote:
All menus drawn by Qt in www-client/opera lacks icons. Should I report it to bugzilla?

opera -graphicssystem native works fine.


Yes please. We will soon start a tracker to monitor all the raster bugs
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 5:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hwoarang wrote:
Yes please. We will soon start a tracker to monitor all the raster bugs

Done.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 8:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OpenOffice 3.2.0 crashes on startup
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 11:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you both
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