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| notageek wrote: | | I'm sorry if this rather off-topic post, but I would like to say that an individual is responsible for his/her own actions. If my son were a drug addict, I would do absolutely nothing for him. I'm pretty sure the feeling is mutual. |
When does it change from the burden of the parent to that of the child? The parent of a two-year-old drug addict is likely to blame.
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| notageek wrote: | | I'm sorry if this rather off-topic post, but I would like to say that an individual is responsible for his/her own actions. If my son were a drug addict, I would do absolutely nothing for him. I'm pretty sure the feeling is mutual. |
if your son was crippled in a car crash (which was their fault) i guess you wouldn't help them either? |
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That is the most preposterous thing I've heard. Drug addiction is accidental?
@Kenji: The parent should take blame for their child becoming a drug addict in-spite of providing food/shelter/education/counselling?
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| notageek wrote: | | That is the most preposterous thing I've heard. Drug addiction is accidental? |
no, no-one is saying that. I specifically stated that the car crash was his fault. He is now crippled, can feed himself and can't go to the toilet by himself and you're going to ignore him because "it was his fault"? |
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| cokehabit wrote: | | no, no-one is saying that. I specifically stated that the car crash was his fault. He is now crippled, can feed himself and can't go to the toilet by himself and you're going to ignore him because "it was his fault"? |
Strawman. You know very well that is not what I'm saying.
I'm advocating personal responsibility and not equating getting into an accident with taking up heroin.
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| notageek wrote: | | The parent should take blame for their child becoming a drug addict in-spite of providing food/shelter/education/counselling? |
A two-year-old is fairly new to the world and may make uninformed decisions too easily.
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| notageek wrote: | | cokehabit wrote: | | no, no-one is saying that. I specifically stated that the car crash was his fault. He is now crippled, can feed himself and can't go to the toilet by himself and you're going to ignore him because "it was his fault"? |
Strawman. You know very well that is not what I'm saying.
I'm advocating personal responsibility and not equating getting into an accident with taking up heroin. |
they are both accidents, the only difference is in your head |
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| notageek wrote: | That is the most preposterous thing I've heard. Drug addiction is accidental?
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Actually in many cases it is.
Also many people become addicts at an age when they have no idea of the consequences in life neither do they have that understanding.
By the time they do realize they are already addicts. |
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| shaumux wrote: | | notageek wrote: | That is the most preposterous thing I've heard. Drug addiction is accidental?
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Actually in many cases it is.
Also many people become addicts at an age when they have no idea of the consequences in life neither do they have that understanding.
By the time they do realize they are already addicts. |
Smokers are another common example of that.
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| Kenji Miyamoto wrote: | | notageek wrote: | | The parent should take blame for their child becoming a drug addict in-spite of providing food/shelter/education/counselling? |
A two-year-old is fairly new to the world and may make uninformed decisions too easily. |
You meant a two year old child? I understood it to be a drug addict for two years. I'd be very curious to understand how a two year old could get drug addicted.
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| notageek wrote: | | Kenji Miyamoto wrote: | | notageek wrote: | | The parent should take blame for their child becoming a drug addict in-spite of providing food/shelter/education/counselling? |
A two-year-old is fairly new to the world and may make uninformed decisions too easily. |
You meant a two year old child? I understood it to be a drug addict for two years. I'd be very curious to understand how a two year old could get drug addicted. |
I'm sure some parents have done that to their child somewhere.
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| Kenji Miyamoto wrote: | | shaumux wrote: | | notageek wrote: | That is the most preposterous thing I've heard. Drug addiction is accidental?
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Actually in many cases it is.
Also many people become addicts at an age when they have no idea of the consequences in life neither do they have that understanding.
By the time they do realize they are already addicts. |
Smokers are another common example of that. |
Yeah most of my friends who smoke started it as experimentation/imitation of adults around them before becoming addicts themselves. |
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| notageek wrote: | | I'm sorry if this rather off-topic post, but I would like to say that an individual is responsible for his/her own actions. If my son were a drug addict, I would do absolutely nothing for him. I'm pretty sure the feeling is mutual. |
Sure the addict is responsible, but do you (or would you) not let yourself become involved in any mistake your kid makes? If your kid decides to touch the stove while it is on and suffers terrible burns, is it up to your kid to figure out how to get medical attention?
Obviously that wouldn't happen unless your kid was yet too young to really understand the relevant concepts of a stove or too young to have any experience with intense heat to relate to those concepts. Such concepts are so simple that it's not hard to see that the parent should've explained to the kid that the stove is terribly hot. That isn't to say that the parent should obsessively warn the child about the stove--that might breed unhealthy curiosity--but the parent should give some warning to prevent accidents. Now, I'd wager that many people don't, themselves, know enough about the relevant concepts of psychoactive substances, nor are they familiar with any sort of framework relating those concepts, to give their children adequate warning. Assuming this is the case and your child develops a heroine addiction, why wouldn't you be willing to help at all? It seems contrary to your efforts in raising the kid in the first place.
| Kenji Miyamoto wrote: | | notageek wrote: | | Kenji Miyamoto wrote: | | A two-year-old is fairly new to the world and may make uninformed decisions too easily. |
You meant a two year old child? I understood it to be a drug addict for two years. I'd be very curious to understand how a two year old could get drug addicted. |
I'm sure some parents have done that to their child somewhere. |
In notageek's defense, this wouldn't really count as an addiction since the two-year-old wouldn't display addictive behavior (actually, a lot can be said in that regard--I'll maintain that it doesn't constitute an addiction, though), only withdrawal symptoms when not administered a certain substance (an action of the parents or other adult). |
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| don't talk about smoking, i stopped for new year |
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| Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 3:49 am Post subject: Re: What to do with a toxic child |
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| sts wrote: | | You make a terrible hypothetical father. |
Better than coddling. For serious issues, I believe it is important to impress upon them the gravity of their decisions. Letting them "get away with it" will certainly not help.
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| Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 3:59 am Post subject: Re: What to do with a toxic child |
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| erm67 wrote: | | I know this is not the right forum to ask.... |
Judging from some of the responses, yes, you're absolutely right about that.
| erm67 wrote: | | ....but if your son was an heroin addict what would you do? |
Consult a doctor. They're likely to have better advice about how to tackle addiction than a bunch of idiots on an internet forum.
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first: professional detox.
second: some stay in a mental institution for psychological evalutation and psychopharmaceutical balancing
third: therapy
and lots of talks.
there are no miracle drugs. They either want to get away or they don't.
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| Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 4:41 pm Post subject: Re: What to do with a toxic child |
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| pjp wrote: | | sts wrote: | | You make a terrible hypothetical father. |
Better than coddling. For serious issues, I believe it is important to impress upon them the gravity of their decisions. Letting them "get away with it" will certainly not help. |
Perhaps excessive dependence on the government by an individual comes from how their parents coddled them when they were younger.
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| Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 6:55 pm Post subject: Re: What to do with a toxic child |
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| Kenji Miyamoto wrote: | | Perhaps excessive dependence on the government by an individual comes from how their parents coddled them when they were younger. |
A sense of entitlement, sure. Government dependence is a mindset, not really the result of coddling.
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