kde3.5 overlay

Joseph_sys · Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 12:43 am Post subject: kde3.5 overlay

Does anybody have an idea when kde-3.5 will be in overlay?

Right now I upgraded one of my desktop to KDE4.3.1 and I DO NOT Like it, it feels like disorganized bloatware, very slow; and I feel like I'm being spied on, always some background activity especially on start up of KDE4

Right now, emerge --depclean wants to remove KDE3.5; how to prevent it, since I already have KDE4 on the system.
Is it by adding use flag "kdeprefix" to make.conf?

Eventually I'll remove the KDE4 once KDE3.5 gets into overlay.

the.root · Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 1:11 am Post subject:

you posted two of these threads, might want to delete one.
https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-802026.html
https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-802023.html

according to http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/desktop/kde/
there should be an overlay called kde3 in layman, but i dont see it.

And no the kdeprefix is for running multiple kde's i believe. But it wont provide kde3.5 and keep it in your system (providing you continue to sync portage).. You could always stop syncing portage, lol.
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Joseph_sys · Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 1:21 am Post subject:

the.root · Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 1:24 am Post subject:

rafo · Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 8:43 pm Post subject:

Apparently the name of the KDE 3.5 overlay is kde-sunset:

http://www.linuxized.com/2009/11/kde-in-gentoo-an-update/

However, perhaps this is not fully in order yet. Typing

Cyker · Veteran Joined: 15 Jun 2006 Posts: 1746

You'd need to specify the slot;

yngwin · Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 9:43 pm Post subject:

The kde3 overlay has been renamed back to kde-sunset.
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rafo · Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 10:22 pm Post subject:

wired_ · Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 7:23 am Post subject:

For those wanting to keep KDE 3.5, I've written a how-to:

http://www.linuxized.com/2009/11/how-to-keep-your-kde-3-5-after-its-removed-gentoos-tree-using-the-kde-sunset-overlay/

Hopefully it'll cover all your questions

@rafo: iirc KDE 3.5 didn't have a kwrite ebuild, kwrite was provided by kate (which has a :3.5 ebuild)
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Cyker · Veteran Joined: 15 Jun 2006 Posts: 1746

Hey, thanks for that.

Good post!

rafo · Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 7:59 pm Post subject:

pappy_mcfae · Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2009 12:10 pm Post subject:

Love this trick. It trimmed my /etc/portage/package.mask and /etc/portage/package.unmask files down to almost nothing again. And, I don't get messages telling the machine wants to install KDE-4. Woohoo!

Blessed be!
Pappy
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jesnow · l33t Joined: 26 Apr 2006 Posts: 856

If your kde3 was unslotted, you don't have to unmerge it end then remerge it slotted. It's enough simply to edit the /var/lib/portage/world file and append :3.5 to all the kde entries. I've gotten away with this on three systems now. Ktorrent is a problem however, as it's not slotted. You'll have to either decide on the 3.5 version or the later 4.x version. Personally, I think it's one of the few applications that offers more functionality in 4.x than in 3.5.

I'm doing quite well running 3.5 and 4.3 applications next to each other -- this is no problem. BUT it takes up more space even than the already-bloated 4.3.

In the end I didn't like xfce. I really do like the swiss army knife aspect of konqueror:3.5, and I don't like splitting off the file manager as in xfce and kde4.

I'm really hoping someone will take up the torch on kde3 -- I don't have the knowledge or experience to go it alone.

Cheers,

Jon.

wlchase · Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 7:30 pm Post subject:

For the most excellent guide, you might want to warn that the volume containing the overlay needs a fair amount of free space. I had a separate /usr partition and filled it up the first time through.

Bill

pappy_mcfae · Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 7:13 am Post subject:

My question is, is there a discussion thread for kde-sunset yet? If not, why not?

KDE-3 is worth keeping alive. I'm not the greatest coder, but I'm not scared to play with code if I have an idea of what I'm looking for. I've even found a few issues in the overlay that I'd like to address, and have in some cases. I haven't uploaded any of that because I'm not quite sure how to pass what I have upstream. If someone could drop an incantation hint on me, I'd be most appreciative!

Anyway, I'm interested in helping as much as I possibly can, even if that's error checking or troubleshooting "fixed" code.

BB!
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Cyker · Veteran Joined: 15 Jun 2006 Posts: 1746

Well I've only seen one real reason why it was booted out of the tree so completely, and that was that it doesn't work with the newer autoconf's.

If that could be patched, and/or the code generally made more portable, long term maintained will be a lot easier.
That said, autoconf is slotted so a short/medium hack would just be to change the ebuilds to use a version before the one that causes breakage.

I have no idea how involved either would be tho'

yngwin · Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2010 1:56 am Post subject:

rafo · Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 8:37 am Post subject:

Yesterday I did a massive `emerge -avuND world' upgrade, after several weeks of no updates. I then had problems doing revdep-rebuild because the resulting emerges would not succeed, because of the now missing /usr/lib/libjpeg.so.62. Also KDE 3.5 (by kde-sunset overlay) would not start.

In another forum thread I found the advice to do `emerge =media-libs/jpeg-6b-r9'. This restores /usr/lib/libjpeg.so.62 and revdep-rebuild could be carried out. And KDE 3.5 works, as fine as ever!

I am wondering, this trick should probably be mentioned in the KDE 3.5 HOWTO page.

My guess is that if you switched to kde-sunset earlier, and find your KDE being broken, then you should just do `emerge =media-libs/jpeg-6b-r9' right now. And likewise, if you decide to pick up kde-sunset now then the first step is also to emerge jpeg-6b-r9. Comments welcome! And feel free to update the HOWTO, I am really no expert on this, just glad to be able to stay with KDE 3.5.

tomk · Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 11:52 am Post subject:

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SamuliSuominen · Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 1:45 pm Post subject:

rafo · Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 6:00 pm Post subject:

I tried the revdep-rebuild command and it looks promising: a bunch of KDE 3.5 packages are being re-emerged now. I suppose that having done this, and restarted the KDE desktop, I should then be able to unmerge the media-libs/jpeg-6b-r9 package.

Does this mean that (1) `revdep-rebuild --library libjpeg.so.62' should be tried first of all, and (2) only if this doesn't work because some tool requires libjpeg.so.62 then temporarily emerge media-libs/jpeg-6b-r9 so that the revdep-rebuild can succeed? (I think maybe that is what happened to me but I'm by no means sure...)

SamuliSuominen · Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 6:24 pm Post subject:

jordanwb · Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2010 3:06 pm Post subject:

Has anyone had any issue running KDE3.5 with latest software like xorg 1.8 and linux-2.6.35? I want to put KDE3.5 on my new laptop but I'm concerned with incompatibility issues.

pappy_mcfae · Posted: Fri Oct 08, 2010 8:34 am Post subject:

There is an issue with xorg-server-1.9.x. I had typing rate issues (typing a LOT faster than what was coming to the screen). I've heard a few other people having weird issues with xorg-server-1.9.x I didn't see any real issues with xorg-server-1.8, but it wasn't on anything long enough to judge its functionality.

Xorg-server-1.7.x still works as it always has. I use it on this machine because it's the machine I use the most. It has to be able to keep up with my typing speed, and I type quickly. I also use it on my machines with older nvidia cards, as the nvidia drivers for the older cards don't go to >=xorg-server-1.8.x for one, and >=xorg-server-1.9.x for the other. The fourth machine seems to run >=xorg-server-1.9.x just fine, but I don't use it to the same degree I use this, so I don't know if the typing speed issue is an issue with it.

Other than those issues, things are swimming along just fine.

Cheers,
Pappy
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