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DesertMadman n00b
Joined: 18 Apr 2002 Posts: 15
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Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2002 7:51 am Post subject: Will Gentoo be LSB certified? |
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THe PR for LSB certification is here http://linuxpr.com/releases/4902.html
Does Gentoo plan to become LSB certified? I hope so - its such a good distro, it would be a shame to b reak standards - and it would make porting apps a lot easier.
The RPM as a basis for packages I heard about may be the one area where non-complice may arise. Anyone know if LSB 1.1 require RPM? |
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asimon l33t
Joined: 27 Jun 2002 Posts: 979 Location: Germany, Old Europe
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Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2002 9:38 am Post subject: Re: Will Gentoo be LSB certified? |
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Does Gentoo plan to become LSB certified? I hope so - its such a good distro, it would be a shame to b reak standards - and it would make porting apps a lot easier. |
I never saw a statement from Drobbins that LSB will be an aim. So I guess, no, Gentoo will not be LSB conform any time soon. Also Gentoo is no contributor to LSB at all, so I guess they are not very interessted in where LSB goes or where it stands today.
Right now Gentoo is very far away from LSB compatibility. "Very far" here means more far away then SuSE, Mandrake, Redhat, or United Linux.
Quote: | The RPM as a basis for packages I heard about may be the one area where non-complice may arise. Anyone know if LSB 1.1 require RPM? |
Yes, it requires RPM. See
http://www.linuxbase.org/spec/gLSB/gLSB/swinstall.html
Of course it's also in LSB version 1.2, see
http://www.linuxbase.org/spec/refspecs/LSB_1.2.0/gLSB/swinstall.html
But RPM by itself would not be the problem. There are ebuilds for RPM. Problems arise of the usage of scripts in rpms. E.g. scripts for handling initscripts (/usr/lib/lsb/install_initd), etc.
Cheers,
Andreas |
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KiTaSuMbA Guru
Joined: 28 Jun 2002 Posts: 430 Location: Naples Italy
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Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2002 12:42 pm Post subject: we couldn't care less |
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Conformity is generally good but it starts to be a pain when things that work pretty good have to work worse to be compliant with others. Why would Gentoo need to be LSB compliant? So that people can jump from Mdk to gentoo and backwards without learning any basics? Why should gentoo cripple it's init.d format to make it look nice for LSB?
My "other" favorite distro is also far away from being LSB-compliant. Yet, slack's init.d is the easiest one around for every-day custom hacks...
The day I see gentoo's ebuilds circulating as SRPMs I will know I should start looking for a fresh distro...
Let others be united under bloatware "we got everything" distros, I prefer being a "separatist" under a source-built, hand-made, speeding-like-h3ll one!!!
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asimon l33t
Joined: 27 Jun 2002 Posts: 979 Location: Germany, Old Europe
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Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2002 1:14 pm Post subject: Re: we couldn't care less |
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KiTaSuMbA wrote: | Why should gentoo cripple it's init.d format to make it look nice for LSB? |
Ahm, have you read the LSB specs? I think you've got some (all?) facts wrong.
Gentoo doesn't have to change it's rc format. It has to include the LSB interface for it to be compatible. I really recommend reading the specs before bashing them.
Cheers,
Andreas |
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klieber Bodhisattva
Joined: 17 Apr 2002 Posts: 3657 Location: San Francisco, CA
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Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2002 1:26 pm Post subject: |
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drobbins has stated that Gentoo will likely maintain the "spirit" of LSB standards, but because of a few of the more onerous requirements (surrounding RPMs, IIRC), it likely won't be LSB certified.
--kurt _________________ The problem with political jokes is that they get elected |
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KiTaSuMbA Guru
Joined: 28 Jun 2002 Posts: 430 Location: Naples Italy
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Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2002 1:42 pm Post subject: Re: we couldn't care less |
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asimon wrote: |
Ahm, have you read the LSB specs? I think you've got some (all?) facts wrong.
Gentoo doesn't have to change it's rc format. It has to include the LSB interface for it to be compatible. I really recommend reading the specs before bashing them.
Cheers,
Andreas |
Speaking of my experience:
LFS is LSB compliant, and I was hitting my head on the wall for some time 'till I figured it out. Include the LSB interface... isn't that even more complexity? If gentoo includes that interface, it either abolishes the "default" links scheme or it uses a parallel implementation with the S* / K* links... That gets pretty scary on both putting it down to work and on modifying it on your box as a J. Random admin. _________________ Need to flame people LIVE on IRC? Join #gentoo-otw on freenode! |
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pjp Administrator
Joined: 16 Apr 2002 Posts: 20067
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Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2002 3:12 pm Post subject: |
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I was quite in favor of the LSB when it first started. Having used RPM, I am disappointed
that it is a requirement for LSB compliance. I find it ironic/amusing that I end up choosing
a non-compliant distro. _________________ Quis separabit? Quo animo? |
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AutoBot l33t
Joined: 22 Apr 2002 Posts: 968 Location: Usually Out
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Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2002 11:02 am Post subject: |
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LSB compliant distributions are all fine and good, but the day I *have* to use an rpm on gentoo is the day I switch to Sorcerer or Rock. _________________ This message self destructed a long time ago. |
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klieber Bodhisattva
Joined: 17 Apr 2002 Posts: 3657 Location: San Francisco, CA
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Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2002 6:02 pm Post subject: |
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AutoBot wrote: | the day I *have* to use an rpm on gentoo is the day I switch to Sorcerer or Rock. |
lol -- hope you don't use KDE, then, because one of the dependencies of 'emerge kde' is app-arch/rpm-4.0.4-r2. I've never delved to deeply into the ebuilds to figure out what package depends on rpm and why, but I do find it amusing.
--kurt _________________ The problem with political jokes is that they get elected |
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tomte Tux's lil' helper
Joined: 08 May 2002 Posts: 122
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Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2002 6:02 pm Post subject: |
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klieber wrote: | AutoBot wrote: | the day I *have* to use an rpm on gentoo is the day I switch to Sorcerer or Rock. |
lol -- hope you don't use KDE, then, because one of the dependencies of 'emerge kde' is app-arch/rpm-4.0.4-r2. I've never delved to deeply into the ebuilds to figure out what package depends on rpm and why, but I do find it amusing.
--kurt |
it's for kpackage, IIRC, don't know which package it's itself bundled with.
regards,
tom |
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AutoBot l33t
Joined: 22 Apr 2002 Posts: 968 Location: Usually Out
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Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2002 10:37 pm Post subject: |
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klieber wrote: | AutoBot wrote: | the day I *have* to use an rpm on gentoo is the day I switch to Sorcerer or Rock. |
lol -- hope you don't use KDE, then, because one of the dependencies of 'emerge kde' is app-arch/rpm-4.0.4-r2. I've never delved to deeply into the ebuilds to figure out what package depends on rpm and why, but I do find it amusing.
--kurt |
I have used kde on gentoo, but I switched to the ever light and popular fluxbox and haven't looked back. _________________ This message self destructed a long time ago. |
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fuxored n00b
Joined: 29 May 2002 Posts: 71
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Posted: Thu Aug 01, 2002 2:10 am Post subject: |
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I've actually installed an RPM in Gentoo, but only because I had no choice(commercial app). While I think having a standard and comformity could definately help Linux gain more recognition, I don't totally agree with the LSB. I don't care for RPM, and don't think it should be a requirment. |
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line72 Apprentice
Joined: 13 Jun 2002 Posts: 212
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Posted: Thu Aug 01, 2002 2:01 pm Post subject: |
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I hate rpms too. But unfortunately sometimes you do get stuck installing an rpm, but it might be nice of gentoo used a program like checkinstall (http://checkinstall.izto.org/) that after it installed something from source it put it into the rpm database. Therefore you don't ever have to use rpms, but if you decide you want to, you have a full rpm database. Might be kinda nice. please don't hate me for mentioning this : ) |
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klieber Bodhisattva
Joined: 17 Apr 2002 Posts: 3657 Location: San Francisco, CA
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Posted: Thu Aug 01, 2002 2:08 pm Post subject: |
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This thread is getting OT and I believe the original question has been answered.
So, locking.
--kurt _________________ The problem with political jokes is that they get elected |
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