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What kernel sources do you prefer? |
vanilla-sources |
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other |
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midnite Guru
Joined: 09 Apr 2006 Posts: 435 Location: Hong Kong
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Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 1:23 am Post subject: |
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hardened _________________ - midnite. |
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baeksu l33t
Joined: 26 Sep 2004 Posts: 609 Location: Seoul, Korea
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Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 1:33 am Post subject: |
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I recently moved to gentoo-sources. Before I rolled my own from kernel.org, but since I only really need squashfs and gensplash patches, I decided to just go with the flow.
Did try zen-sources, but didn't have such a good experience with them. _________________ Gnome:
1. A legendary being.
2. A never ending quest to make unix friendly to people who don't want unix and excruciating for those that do. |
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F_ Tux's lil' helper
Joined: 31 Dec 2006 Posts: 142
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Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 4:57 am Post subject: |
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Add me to the ones using gentoo-sources.
Reason? Simply because its stable. |
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arnvidr l33t
Joined: 19 Aug 2004 Posts: 629 Location: Oslo, Norway
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Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 6:37 am Post subject: |
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Run gentoo-sources, thinking of going to a rt-kernel _________________
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kernelOfTruth Watchman
Joined: 20 Dec 2005 Posts: 6111 Location: Vienna, Austria; Germany; hello world :)
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zorry Developer
Joined: 30 Mar 2008 Posts: 380 Location: Umeå The north part of scandinavia
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Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 9:03 am Post subject: |
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Hardened with hardened gcc 4 _________________ gcc version 6.1.0 (Gentoo Hardened 6.1.0 p1.1) |
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prizident n00b
Joined: 06 Dec 2006 Posts: 42
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Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 2:02 pm Post subject: |
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Zen-sources on desktop and eee-sources on EeePC, but going to switch to zen-sources also |
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energyman76b Advocate
Joined: 26 Mar 2003 Posts: 2048 Location: Germany
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Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 11:04 pm Post subject: |
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vanilla-sources
+ reiser4 (compression rocks. /home, /var (with portage tree), /opt are on reiser4+lzo compression) _________________ Study finds stunning lack of racial, gender, and economic diversity among middle-class white males
I identify as a dirty penismensch. |
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Link31 Apprentice
Joined: 17 Apr 2006 Posts: 200 Location: France
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Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 11:37 pm Post subject: |
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vanilla-sources
+ cko
+ disk_protect
+ fbcondecor
+ hz-864
+ bfq
+ iwlwifi_leds
+ tp_smapi
+ tuxonice
+ swap_prefetch
+ various hacks
I'm not sure if that can still be called a vanilla kernel |
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kds66 Apprentice
Joined: 17 Oct 2006 Posts: 166 Location: Manaus, Brazil
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Posted: Sun May 18, 2008 4:59 pm Post subject: |
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tuxonice because of the suspend/hibernate patches |
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SeaTiger l33t
Joined: 22 Nov 2007 Posts: 603 Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
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Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 8:31 pm Post subject: |
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Link31 wrote: | vanilla-sources
+ cko
+ disk_protect
+ fbcondecor
+ hz-864
+ bfq
+ iwlwifi_leds
+ tp_smapi
+ tuxonice
+ swap_prefetch
+ various hacks
I'm not sure if that can still be called a vanilla kernel |
vanilla-cocktail? |
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SnakeByte Apprentice
Joined: 04 Oct 2002 Posts: 177 Location: Europe - Germany
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Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 5:17 pm Post subject: |
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most recent vanilla + grsecurity for my usual machines
vanilla mips + IP30 for the octane(s) |
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AnXa Apprentice
Joined: 06 Apr 2004 Posts: 250
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Posted: Tue Dec 17, 2013 6:06 pm Post subject: |
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still on nitro _________________ The idea isn't about how do you see or hear it, it's about how do you experience it... |
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TomWij Retired Dev
Joined: 04 Jul 2012 Posts: 1553
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Posted: Tue Dec 17, 2013 7:45 pm Post subject: |
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gentoo-sources |
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szatox Advocate
Joined: 27 Aug 2013 Posts: 3196
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Posted: Wed Dec 18, 2013 10:14 am Post subject: |
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gentoo-sources on main box, dunno why, I tried it and it had everything I wanted.
aufs-sources in cluster image (tricky /)
vanilla-sources on VMs for testing purposes... I wish I could select more than 1 option here. |
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broken_chaos Guru
Joined: 18 Jan 2006 Posts: 370 Location: Ontario, Canada
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Posted: Wed Dec 18, 2013 11:03 pm Post subject: |
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Lately I've just been using vanilla sources, not managed by portage.
In my opinion portage is really not a tool well-suited to installing sources, and this really isn't its fault -- it's just not what it's meant to do. It installs multiple copies of a source tree with tens of thousands of files (instead of being able to directly patch the sources you already have when going from, i.e., 3.10.20 -> 3.10.21), and unmerging is nightmarishly-long if you don't rm -rf the directory first (and it leaves behind remains of compiled files, meaning you still have to manually remove things). On the kernel side, releases are just way too fast to keep up with stabling them in portage (just look at the past month or so -- there have been five 3.10.x releases, some only a few days apart), and there's no clear indication (or separation) of security patches vs. (critical or non-critical) bug fixes vs. feature backports (making it difficult to know if/when it's urgent to upgrade -- especially as the changelog is just a raw git log, often with dozens or hundreds of commits for a LTS point release). |
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TomWij Retired Dev
Joined: 04 Jul 2012 Posts: 1553
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Posted: Wed Dec 18, 2013 11:56 pm Post subject: |
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broken_chaos wrote: | It installs multiple copies of a source tree with tens of thousands of files (instead of being able to directly patch the sources you already have when going from, i.e., 3.10.20 -> 3.10.21) |
Would be interesting to have some kind of patch packages; or well, at least just install the diff and not the entire package. Must be possible, but to reach the most clean way needs some discussion...
broken_chaos wrote: | unmerging is nightmarishly-long if you don't rm -rf the directory first (and it leaves behind remains of compiled files, meaning you still have to manually remove things). |
Yes, Portage could use additional improvement here. The kernel package is quite a stress test for that functionality...
broken_chaos wrote: | On the kernel side, releases are just way too fast to keep up with stabling them in portage (just look at the past month or so -- there have been five 3.10.x releases, some only a few days apart) |
Stabilizing 3.10.x happens on purpose because of the LTS nature of that branch (= API compatibility, much more stable, and so on...) and also due to the brokenness that comes along with 3.11.x (bugs were filed double as much compared to 3.10.x in the same time span) or the 3.12.x being too new to be considered sufficiently stable.
broken_chaos wrote: | and there's no clear indication (or separation) of security patches vs. (critical or non-critical) bug fixes vs. feature backports (making it difficult to know if/when it's urgent to upgrade -- especially as the changelog is just a raw git log, often with dozens or hundreds of commits for a LTS point release). |
Upstream doesn't clarify this on purpose as when they do it puts a lot of kernel developers and early users at risk, you can follow the CVE's for this if you care about the known vulnerabilities as they get discovered in public (that's usually at a time the early adapters are already patched and it is ready for distro patching); as for the most critical ones, we apply and backport these as well as mask vulnerable versions. The less critical ones depend on the manpower available; given that there's not much people on the kernel team, we are only able to do just what is necessary and a slight bit more. And thus, contributions are always welcome; what makes Gentoo work is its community. |
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ulenrich Veteran
Joined: 10 Oct 2010 Posts: 1480
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Posted: Thu Dec 19, 2013 12:08 am Post subject: |
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@TomWij,
does it make any sense to not stabilize linux-headers-3.10 then?
They can play some role when compiling multimedia applications. That was an area of changes with 3.10. |
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broken_chaos Guru
Joined: 18 Jan 2006 Posts: 370 Location: Ontario, Canada
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Posted: Thu Dec 19, 2013 7:33 am Post subject: |
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TomWij, sorry, I wasn't quite clear. My latter two, er, 'complaints' were completely directed towards upstream, and definitely not at Gentoo. The speed of upstream releases and their somewhat fuzzy policies on actually making clear what's changed and why (partly understandable, but still somewhat frustrating) makes it rather hard to keep up (at least for me, at times), and I imagine that goes at least somewhat for Gentoo's stable policies (typically requiring 30 days in ~arch and such). I suppose that's largely just the nature of the beast, when it comes to a project as gigantic (both in amount of code and, especially, amount of contributors) as the kernel.
On the issue of 'patch packages', it'd be quite nice for the kernel sources, but I can't (offhand) think of any other packages in the tree that would benefit much from such a thing. Given how much against portage's nature doing modifications directly to $ROOT, perhaps an external tool would be a better idea. I've considered writing one for myself lately, but doing it manually just hasn't been that much effort. |
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TomWij Retired Dev
Joined: 04 Jul 2012 Posts: 1553
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Posted: Thu Dec 19, 2013 7:34 pm Post subject: |
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ulenrich wrote: | @TomWij,
does it make any sense to not stabilize linux-headers-3.10 then? |
No idea, that's terrain of the kernel-misc herd; probably should get stabilized. |
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Yamakuzure Advocate
Joined: 21 Jun 2006 Posts: 2285 Location: Adendorf, Germany
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Posted: Fri Dec 20, 2013 9:22 am Post subject: |
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sys-kernel/geek-sources (init6 overlay) with aufs, exfat, fedora and gentoo patches. _________________ Important German:- "Aha" - German reaction to pretend that you are really interested while giving no f*ck.
- "Tja" - German reaction to the apocalypse, nuclear war, an alien invasion or no bread in the house.
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aCOSwt Bodhisattva
Joined: 19 Oct 2007 Posts: 2537 Location: Hilbert space
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Posted: Fri Dec 20, 2013 9:58 am Post subject: |
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sys-kernel/ck-sources
- 3.4 on systems on which some project was launched a year ago
- 3.8 on networkless embedded DAW's
- 3.10 on everything else.
The only problem I get with that package is that its maintainer is systematically busy with something else when I need help. _________________
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188562 Apprentice
Joined: 22 Jun 2008 Posts: 186
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Posted: Fri Dec 20, 2013 11:49 am Post subject: |
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Yamakuzure wrote: | sys-kernel/geek-sources (init6 overlay) with aufs, exfat, fedora and gentoo patches. |
sys-kernel/geek-sources with "brand exfat fedora grsec ice mageia" |
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Anon-E-moose Watchman
Joined: 23 May 2008 Posts: 6103 Location: Dallas area
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Posted: Fri Dec 20, 2013 12:05 pm Post subject: |
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Still running zen. _________________ PRIME x570-pro, 3700x, 6.1 zen kernel
gcc 13, profile 17.0 (custom bare multilib), openrc, wayland |
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Yamakuzure Advocate
Joined: 21 Jun 2006 Posts: 2285 Location: Adendorf, Germany
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Posted: Fri Dec 20, 2013 12:27 pm Post subject: |
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Anon-E-moose wrote: | Still running zen. | I had to ditch zen, because it made my laptop freeze with swap on zram devices whenever anything started to use swap. (That was with kernel 3.11.x, no idea whether this is fixed already.) _________________ Important German:- "Aha" - German reaction to pretend that you are really interested while giving no f*ck.
- "Tja" - German reaction to the apocalypse, nuclear war, an alien invasion or no bread in the house.
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