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Looks like a good bit of stuff is being planned for 4.1 if he Alpha is any indication. I'm going to wait for Beta 1 to come out before loading it up but I'm so tempted to get some tips for the Alpha.
Anyone got any thoughts on it?
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Many plasma crashes in my VirtualBox. But from what I've read this had to do with all the stuff from the plasma sprint and will change soon
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| Is KDE 4.1 Alpha going to be available in portage? |
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| step wrote: | | Is KDE 4.1 Alpha going to be available in portage? |
Probably only on the kde overlay, where you can find svn ebuilds too. Be aware that they require paludis to work AFAIK.
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maybe that changes again, now that philantrop got kicked out...
Is there any word WHY?
I mean rbrown and spb - that was no surprise. But philantrop?
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| energyman76b wrote: | maybe that changes again, now that philantrop got kicked out...
Is there any word WHY?
I mean rbrown and spb - that was no surprise. But philantrop? |
all 3 have had their moments... but i don't want to involve myself in this can of worms... what was done is done.
they only started the paludis thing a couple weeks ago... i wonder if any of this EAPI/-r0 bs that happened recently has anything to do with it... or maybe the fact that philantrop is the owner/operator(?) of the genkdesvn... 
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I have read the buggs (well, not the restricted one) - and the only discussion was about philantrop. Again, no surprise here that spb or rbrown got the boot....
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it is pretty hard to find an instance where spb or rbrown did not act like a jerk. Being a jerk and being involved with paludis seems to be the norm ...
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| energyman76b wrote: | | it is pretty hard to find an instance where spb or rbrown did not act like a jerk. Being a jerk and being involved with paludis seems to be the norm ... |
which is why ciaran isn't a dev anymore... 
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| bunder wrote: | | energyman76b wrote: | | it is pretty hard to find an instance where spb or rbrown did not act like a jerk. Being a jerk and being involved with paludis seems to be the norm ... |
which is why ciaran isn't a dev anymore... |
Well, rbrown and spb aren't devs anymore too.
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| energyman76b wrote: | | it is pretty hard to find an instance where spb or rbrown did not act like a jerk. Being a jerk and being involved with paludis seems to be the norm ... |
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| I wanna try the alpha, but the paludis thing seems like a rather large hurdle I don't feel like dealing with. Guess i'll just have to be patient... |
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| rokstar83 wrote: | | I wanna try the alpha, but the paludis thing seems like a rather large hurdle I don't feel like dealing with. Guess i'll just have to be patient... |
I am in the same position, having just completed a fresh gentoo install after 18 months of disuse. I remember KDE devs cooperating heavily with cmake and svn devs to make those projects ready for KDE; why hasn't there been a similar collaboration to prepare portage? Seems like a leadership failure.
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You can just build KDE manually. It shouldn't be too hard, ive done it a couple of times.
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| drizek wrote: | | You can just build KDE manually. It shouldn't be too hard, ive done it a couple of times. |
You, sir, have far too much time on your hands.
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| drizek wrote: | | You can just build KDE manually. It shouldn't be too hard, ive done it a couple of times. |
That is a deeply unattractive option that only cements the reality of the failure. Is portage so archaic that it cannot provide KDE4.1? Or is there a lack of manpower? Or too much bureaucracy? Or technical deficiencies? Or what?
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| dmitchell wrote: | | drizek wrote: | | You can just build KDE manually. It shouldn't be too hard, ive done it a couple of times. |
That is a deeply unattractive option that only cements the reality of the failure. Is portage so archaic that it cannot provide KDE4.1? Or is there a lack of manpower? Or too much bureaucracy? Or technical deficiencies? Or what? |
no, lead devs of the kde-overlay are also involved with paludis. So they made some changes to the kde ebuilds, made paludis the only pm to support this and even tried to add the garbage to the pms.
If that doesn't smell fishy....
They could have done without that. But hey, why being sensible, if you can push troll crap on everybody?
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| energyman76b wrote: | | dmitchell wrote: | | drizek wrote: | | You can just build KDE manually. It shouldn't be too hard, ive done it a couple of times. |
That is a deeply unattractive option that only cements the reality of the failure. Is portage so archaic that it cannot provide KDE4.1? Or is there a lack of manpower? Or too much bureaucracy? Or technical deficiencies? Or what? |
no, lead devs of the kde-overlay are also involved with paludis. So they made some changes to the kde ebuilds, made paludis the only pm to support this and even tried to add the garbage to the pms.
If that doesn't smell fishy....
They could have done without that. But hey, why being sensible, if you can push troll crap on everybody? |
I don't think this is really that big of an issue, for one thing it's currently only the live ebuilds that require paludis.
Also, bear in mind, kde 4.1 is still only alpha software, which is generally not added to portage and with good reason (no matter how stable you fanboys believe it to be).
I'm sure we'll see beta ebuilds in portage not too long after it's been released.
And speaking of fanboys, I'm smelling a lot of ciaranm love off of this...
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| energyman76b wrote: | | no, lead devs of the kde-overlay are also involved with paludis. So they made some changes to the kde ebuilds, made paludis the only pm to support this and even tried to add the garbage to the pms. |
So you are saying that the guys in charge of the ebuilds were allowed to change them so that their own third party package system was required? That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Conflict of interest, anyone? What an obvious power-grab and sabotage. I can't believe that happened - how naive are the people who allowed it?
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