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KillerX
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This thread is for discussion of the April issue of the Gentoo Monthly Newsletter. We hope you enjoyed reading it!
If you liked a certain article or felt that the GMN was published with something that we could do without, let us know. You can also put your comments and suggestions on how you think the next GMN should be.
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i don't see it on the front page 
edit: now its there 
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| rgk wrote: | | i don't see it on the front page |
Refresh.
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| Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 6:09 am Post subject: |
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| The newsletter says that the next bugday will be (Monday) 5 May, but the linked page says that it will be (Saturday) 3 May. Which is correct? |
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KillerX
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| ABCDwp wrote: | | The newsletter says that the next bugday will be (Monday) 5 May, but the linked page says that it will be (Saturday) 3 May. Which is correct? |
May 03 is correct. The GMN has been corrected and the change should appear shortly.
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| Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 7:19 am Post subject: April Edition |
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| I love the new graphs - makes it really easy to get a sense of what is happening. |
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Wonderful interview with Ramon van Alteren! I loved to read about a Gentoo Server Park in a high profile live environment! I never dared to propagate that when I was still working in IT 
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Oh - and there is an error in Listing 4.3 - it should be and not | Quote: | | rc-default default |
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| maggu2810 wrote: | | I thought the correct name for ~arch is testing, not unstable. |
Nope. It means unstable. It can also mean testing, but it definitely does mean unstable. Those quotes are all 5 years old. Things change.
Fixed.
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maggu2810
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| nightmorph wrote: | | Those quotes are all 5 years old. Things change. |
I know, but I never read something else about the nomenclature. So I thought testing is keyword masked and unstable could be hard masked.
Is there an 'official' statement that determines the 'official' names?
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| maggu2810 wrote: | | nightmorph wrote: | | Those quotes are all 5 years old. Things change. |
I know, but I never read something else about the nomenclature. So I thought testing is keyword masked and unstable could be hard masked.
Is there an 'official' statement that determines the 'official' names? |
AFAIK, hard masked ebuilds are not "unstable", they are "not supported for end-users". Debian's testing and unstable concepts doesn't apply to Gentoo. If you unmask all hard masked packages you won't get the equivalent to Debian's unstable... you'll get a screwed system.
Call ~arch testing or unstable (who cares?) but the set of package.mask'ed packages is not the unstable "branch". |
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| What charting software do you use to make the graphs for the GMN? |
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| renrutal wrote: | | What charting software do you use to make the graphs for the GMN? |
Asked & answered.
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Ah i see you guys added my irssi + bitlbee tip
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I would enjoy the interviews done using audio instead of transcript only (ie. Convert "Heard in the Community" into LinuxCrazy format which also posts the transcripts. The "Heard in the Community" has a great interview format -- For instance, highlighting developers' favorites applications, etc!).
Hey, just call it "Gentoo Radio"
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| Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 7:28 am Post subject: Re: [NEWS] April GMN |
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| KillerX wrote: | | This thread is for discussion of the April issue of the Gentoo Monthly Newsletter. We hope you enjoyed reading it! |
Great job, guys and gils! But you always forget this important thing: always put a link to the article/newsletter in these discussion threads. In the first post.
Thanks
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| Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 11:21 am Post subject: |
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The GWN in the new format really is nice, and I like the graphs, too. Great job!
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| This is a VERY NICE Newsletter! |
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The first half of the interview, the interviewer was strict with questions. Second half, tended to relax a little and actually hold a discussion with whom he was interviewing.
Relax... it's not like like you're interrogating a hostage. Have a discussion. (If you have to, pretend you're talking to a beautiful naked girl ...ok, maybe not such a great idea...
BTW: I never knew Spanky was such a swell sounding guy! I'm shocked.
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| ColdWind wrote: | | maggu2810 wrote: | I thought testing is keyword masked and unstable could be hard masked.
Is there an 'official' statement that determines the 'official' names? |
AFAIK, hard masked ebuilds are not "unstable", they are "not supported for end-users". Debian's testing and unstable concepts doesn't apply to Gentoo. If you unmask all hard masked packages you won't get the equivalent to Debian's unstable... you'll get a screwed system.
Call ~arch testing or unstable (who cares?) but the set of package.mask'ed packages is not the unstable "branch". |
Historically it's stable and unstable in gentoo, and hard masked are "known to break". Nowadays, with all the overlays, I'd call ~arch the equivalent of debian testing, and overlays the new unstable (hope I've got those the right way round.) Newer stuff tends to come in via overlays (unless it's based on a long-standing project, which might still be worked on in an unofficial overlay) where most of the interesting stuff happens if you follow the code; ~arch in that context is much more of a QA stage than it used to be.
This is prob'y why many think Gentoo's no longer bleeding-edge: ~arch used to be much more so than it is now, and people think it has to be in the main tree to count as Gentoo. That stuff now happens in overlays which are an excellent way to organise things imo, since you simply add the overlay for the area you're interested in (eg pro-audio or haskell) and there's usually an IRC room where you can feedback to the devs.
I guess unstable would really be the sunrise overlay. It'd be nice if there were a bit more control over how stuff gets pulled in, eg if we could say "pull in foo and its deps from sunrise and main only" without all the other stuff being considered. |
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