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PostPosted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 2:25 am    Post subject: [NEWS] March GMN Reply with quote

This forums thread is for discussion of the March issue of the Gentoo Monthly Newsletter. We hope you enjoyed reading it!

If you liked a certain article or felt that the GMN was published with something that we could do without, let us know. You can also put your comments and suggestions on how you think the next GMN should be.

*edit think4urs11: added direct link to the GMN.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 6:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Release release where download release 2008.0
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 7:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

We are at least one week behind. Mips already release an inofficial beta stage: http://stuartl.longlandclan.yi.org/blog/2008/03/17/gentoomips-20080b1/
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 10:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am very pleased to here that Diego Pettenò (flameeyes) will be working with the PR team etc. and specifically the fact that there will be a common Google calendar! (I just hope it will be make public).

Keep up the good work!
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 4:06 pm    Post subject: google calendar link Reply with quote

draino wrote:
I am very pleased to here that Diego Pettenò (flameeyes) will be working with the PR team etc. and specifically the fact that there will be a common Google calendar! (I just hope it will be make public).

Keep up the good work!


Just did a quick search at google calendar and found one named "Gentoo Linux Calendar". Seems to hold GMN release dates, bugdays, meetings, etc. I don't know if that's the official one but it comes very close to it. :) Thanks to Diego for putting the calendar up.

ical: http://www.google.com/calendar/ical/88di0t0pl2cfau7oak48rbccfs%40group.calendar.google.com/public/basic.ics
gcal id: 88di0t0pl2cfau7oak48rbccfs@group.calendar.google.com

Btw, a link to the calendar at the main site would be nice.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 5:28 pm    Post subject: Nice Work Reply with quote

Just wanted to say that I like the new newsletters.... good work.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 1:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Too much errors are posted. That bad!
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 2:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TigerJr wrote:
Too much errors are posted. That bad!


What kind of errors and where are they posted?
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 3:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

V-Li wrote:
TigerJr wrote:
Too much errors are posted. That bad!


What kind of errors and where are they posted?



Figure 8.1: Bug activity split-up

Of the 10273 currently open bugs: 16 are labeled blocker, 88 are labeled critical, and 353 are labeled major.

If we look at the other distribution, like red-hat or debian, there are not so many bugs like gentoo. Other people think if distribution haven't to much bugs they are STABLE! Otherwise take FreeBSD for bug testing?

I don't like BSD but it's not simple to talk whith people who give me work, and i doesn't know why they whant other distribs?!
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 7:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I really like the newsletter style. The graphs are great!

Nice Tips and Tricks section this time, too.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 8:21 pm    Post subject: Re: [NEWS] March GMN Reply with quote

KillerX wrote:
This forums thread is for discussion of the March issue of the Gentoo Monthly Newsletter.


It would be cool to have a link in the first post to the GWN issue.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 9:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TigerJr wrote:
V-Li wrote:
TigerJr wrote:
Too much errors are posted. That bad!


What kind of errors and where are they posted?



Figure 8.1: Bug activity split-up

Of the 10273 currently open bugs: 16 are labeled blocker, 88 are labeled critical, and 353 are labeled major.

If we look at the other distribution, like red-hat or debian, there are not so many bugs like gentoo. Other people think if distribution haven't to much bugs they are STABLE! Otherwise take FreeBSD for bug testing?

I don't like BSD but it's not simple to talk whith people who give me work, and i doesn't know why they whant other distribs?!


I completely disagree. I did a study where I compared Gentoo's, Redhat's, and Novell's bugzilla. Gentoo was by far the best at fixing bugs. Take a look at my results (gathered December 2007) and see for yourself:
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                        Gentoo    Novell    Redhat
Open Bug Reports        9,836     3,319     19,612
Closed Bug Reports      177,952   28,296    163,432
Closed To Open Ratio    18.1      8.5       8.3
Developers              315       ~4,500    ~2,200


Note that my developer count for Novell and Redhat does not tell the "whole" picture.

Edit...If you think Gentoo has a lot of "major" open bug reports, check RedHat's bugzilla.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 9:54 pm    Post subject: Re: [NEWS] March GMN Reply with quote

Paapaa wrote:
It would be cool to have a link in the first post to the GWN issue.

good idea

done as requested; see first post
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 7:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

TigerJr wrote:
V-Li wrote:
TigerJr wrote:
Too much errors are posted. That bad!


What kind of errors and where are they posted?



Figure 8.1: Bug activity split-up

Of the 10273 currently open bugs: 16 are labeled blocker, 88 are labeled critical, and 353 are labeled major.

If we look at the other distribution, like red-hat or debian, there are not so many bugs like gentoo. Other people think if distribution haven't to much bugs they are STABLE! Otherwise take FreeBSD for bug testing?

I don't like BSD but it's not simple to talk whith people who give me work, and i doesn't know why they whant other distribs?!


The numbers are a bit confusing in my eyes. The number of open bugs is nearly constant for a long time, we are around 10.000 bugs, where over 2000 are requests for new packages. Also stabilisations, recruitment and other things are handled over bugzilla, so maybe a 1000 bugs more are not really bugs. I did some interpretation last year in http://www.faulhammer.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=194. Check out the GWN around that time, there was a news item about it with further information.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 3:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is nothing about the already delayed 2008.0 (Beta) Release in this Newsletter.
It would be good to inform the users about why the release is delayed and how long it will take.

Although the release schedule at http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/releng/release/2008.0/index.xml#doc_chap2 says that snapshots had already been taken, I can't find any stages to download, except for MIPS.. :wink:

Can anybody please explain to me how writing of the press release can block the Beta upload for 2 weeks?
Or is this release schedule just there to look 'good'?
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 4:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

we should get some english Gentoo books!
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 6:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What software was used to render those charts?
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 7:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

google charts afaik
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 6:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seek wrote:
There is nothing about the already delayed 2008.0 (Beta) Release in this Newsletter.
It would be good to inform the users about why the release is delayed and how long it will take.

Although the release schedule at http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/releng/release/2008.0/index.xml#doc_chap2 says that snapshots had already been taken, I can't find any stages to download, except for MIPS.. :wink:

Can anybody please explain to me how writing of the press release can block the Beta upload for 2 weeks?
Or is this release schedule just there to look 'good'?


We are delayed because of the usual suspects: Security bugs that appear and create the need to update the snapshot, limited time by some people, coordination. It is on the way, I see constant commits to the usual repositories from releng (I am not part of that myself). I tried to prepare a news announcement but failed due to time constraints...I had more important things on my agenda.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 22, 2008 12:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good to know the 2008.0 release is coming along. :)

Also good job on the GMN! Its always good to get regular updates. BTW, is there a RSS feed for it?
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 22, 2008 12:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dirk.R.Gently wrote:
Good to know the 2008.0 release is coming along. :)

Also good job on the GMN! Its always good to get regular updates. BTW, is there a RSS feed for it?


You can read the RSS feed for the front page. Or you can read the gentoo-gmn mailing list.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 22, 2008 6:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dirk.R.Gently wrote:
Good to know the 2008.0 release is coming along. :)


I saw on the forum that the 2008.0 beta version is delay, is there any reason for that and why there is no news about it on the front page of gentoo.org ?
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 22, 2008 6:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

d2_racing wrote:
Dirk.R.Gently wrote:
Good to know the 2008.0 release is coming along. :)


I saw on the forum that the 2008.0 beta version is delay, is there any reason for that and why there is no news about it on the front page of gentoo.org ?


Read the thread here.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 22, 2008 6:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah , I skipped 2-3 posts along the way and one of your post :)

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We are delayed because of the usual suspects: Security bugs that appear and create the need to update the snapshot, limited time by some people, coordination. It is on the way, I see constant commits to the usual repositories from releng (I am not part of that myself). I tried to prepare a news announcement but failed due to time constraints...I had more important things on my agenda.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 8:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another notice why this is delayed: For personal reasons inside the Releng team the release is delayed. The topic is really personal but won't delay it ad inifinitum, so don't ask, though you can find the answer elsewhere.
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