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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 1:10 am    Post subject: Blackboard hates Linux Reply with quote

Blackboard refuses to allow Linux to work with it. The Blackboard Academic Suite/Learning system thing that colleges seem to like. Everything seems fine until you try to upload a file. It tells you to "Please enter a valid file" and refuses to accept/acknowledge any file you try to give it. User agent switcher doesn't help at all.

I, being in love with my Gentoo desktop, find this upsetting.

It works just fine on Mac, and presumably on Windows, so why does it not play nice with Linux?

I complained to the support people. They were not interested and ignored most of what I said. They told me to buy Word for Mac (I told them I was trying to upload a .doc and that it had worked on OS X), threw the supported software list at me, and marked it as resolved.

I can't see why it wouldn't work, even though its not officially supported.

For the record, its a 64bit box, but I have both 32 and 64bit versions of Firefox. And its mostly updated. It does have the Java browser plug-in.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 1:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Know of any open example site where we could test this?
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 2:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, sorry. That would be good though.

Theres a preview thing you can use without having an account, but I'm pretty sure all you can do is look at course syllabuses and assignments with it, not upload files.

There's a preview button at the bottom of this page that lets you see the preview thing: https://dist-ed.waketech.edu/webapps/login/

This seems to be the site where they sell it from, and has the supported software information.
http://www.blackboard.com/products/Academic_Suite/index
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 5:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Moved from Gentoo Chat to Off the Wall.

Works for me (on the University of Melbourne's Blackboard system) under Konqueror on an x86 Gentoo box.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 5:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used it without difficulty a few years back; in fact I had it working transparently with kioslaves.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 5:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Never heard of it.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 5:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm a student at Northeastern University and I've never had a problem with it with Konqueror. I'm only on a 32-bit system but I think it's just you, unless they have some very new version. From what I've seen it's just a standard http upload supported by just about every browser.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 6:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used it with no problems at 2 different schools.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 8:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Probably thinks you are trying to upload a "illegal" (aka a virus) file and stopped you from doing anything bad. You can complain all you want but in the end of the day, they will throw you the list of compatible software and Gentoo will never be on it.

Anyways blackboard never gave me trouble but then again I never had to upload MS Word documents. It gets even annoying when the school forces you to pay for the blackboard service.

Things you are assumed to have in college:
1) mac or windows machine
2) if you are cs major random versions of MS Visual Studio (to get around stupid file compatibility problems)
3) MS Excel/Word/Powerpoint
4) IE7
5) PDF writer
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 8:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Depends on the school.

The University of Washington runs its own Blackboard-like software, Catalyst, e-mail through Alpine, and provide shell access to the student servers. Documents from professors are typically PDFs.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 10:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It has always worked for me, in failfox, ompera and konqueror.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 11:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

there used to be some issues with file uploading forms in firefox back in the days. i remember that from phpmyadmin upload forms for sql files. just try opera or konqueror.

you can't really break a web app for a specific OS unless you really do it on purpose... and /then/ the useragent switcher would've worked ;).

antonlacon wrote:
Depends on the school.

The University of Washington runs its own Blackboard-like software, Catalyst, e-mail through Alpine, and provide shell access to the student servers. Documents from professors are typically PDFs.

yeah, the university of tübingen's CS crowd actually expects you to use a *nix, at least the professors promote it in the first semester. there's also linux pools for the CS students (with gentoo linux, yay) where you gotta do lab hours (it used to be a freebsd pool... oh that was soooo good ><), and the japanology department promotes macs a lot.
then again, we got mike sperber as a docent, so we win by default, :lol:.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 11:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mdeininger wrote:
and the japanology department promotes macs a lot.
This makes me lol.


I'm just picturing a bunch of anime lovers with their macs talking about how awesome anime and steve jobs is.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 12:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

barophobia wrote:
Things you are assumed to have in college:
1) mac or windows machine
2) if you are cs major random versions of MS Visual Studio (to get around stupid file compatibility problems)
3) MS Excel/Word/Powerpoint
4) IE7
5) PDF writer

My school didn't assume we'd have any of those things :D
Our CS department was pretty much paid for by Sun.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 1:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

chrismcdirty wrote:
barophobia wrote:
Things you are assumed to have in college:
1) mac or windows machine
2) if you are cs major random versions of MS Visual Studio (to get around stupid file compatibility problems)
3) MS Excel/Word/Powerpoint
4) IE7
5) PDF writer

My school didn't assume we'd have any of those things :D
Our CS department was pretty much paid for by Sun.


Hmm yup.

1) Our school makes heavy use of unix/linux, they only "officially" provide residence tech support for windows and mac i believe however all web service stuff is supported on linux and you could probably find tech help here if you wanted anyway :P. Oh and Linux/Mac don't need to do the security check program to get on the wireless :lol:

2) Our CS department uses *nix, when people ask if they can do foo in windows instead the typical response "Probably but you will have to figure that out on your own" or "Just save yourself the trouble and learn unix" :lol:. We also get visual studio for free, not that we use it :S

On an interesting side note, this fall all the first year CS courses at my University will use scheme instead of java. They decided java was a shitty language for teach CS first year and opted for scheme instead :P.

3) I see the odd doc (mostly from arts faculty profs) all math/cs profs that I have had use LaTeX converted to PDF, sometimes they also provide the *.tex files.

4) Nope

5) So? There are tons of free PDF creation software for every OS. Or if it really is such a pother you can just go to one of the copy centres and have them convert it for you :P.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 2:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zepp wrote:
On an interesting side note, this fall all the first year CS courses at my University will use scheme instead of java. They decided java was a shitty language for teach CS first year and opted for scheme instead :P.

The order of languages in courses used at my school (IIRC): C, C++, C++, SPARC assembly, scheme, x86 assembly and C, prolog, other languages in elective courses, java :D
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 3:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

chrismcdirty wrote:
Zepp wrote:
On an interesting side note, this fall all the first year CS courses at my University will use scheme instead of java. They decided java was a shitty language for teach CS first year and opted for scheme instead :P.

The order of languages in courses used at my school (IIRC): C, C++, C++, SPARC assembly, scheme, x86 assembly and C, prolog, other languages in elective courses, java :D


Ya there is a lot of C and C++ and some assembly in the upper year courses. Even saw a bit of prolog in logic course but we didn't have to write any :P.

Oh and they ask that you submit a Makefile with your projects :lol: so Visual Studio isn't really what they have in mind :P.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 4:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blackboard is pretty evil. A quick glance through their license will explain as much.

When my wife was teaching an online class using Blackboard, we had to use wine+IE6 to make everything work properly.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 6:09 pm    Post subject: Re: Blackboard hates Linux Reply with quote

posey wrote:
Blackboard refuses to allow Linux to work with it. The Blackboard Academic Suite/Learning system thing that colleges seem to like. Everything seems fine until you try to upload a file. It tells you to "Please enter a valid file" and refuses to accept/acknowledge any file you try to give it. User agent switcher doesn't help at all.

I, being in love with my Gentoo desktop, find this upsetting.

It works just fine on Mac, and presumably on Windows, so why does it not play nice with Linux?

I complained to the support people. They were not interested and ignored most of what I said. They told me to buy Word for Mac (I told them I was trying to upload a .doc and that it had worked on OS X), threw the supported software list at me, and marked it as resolved.

I can't see why it wouldn't work, even though its not officially supported.

For the record, its a 64bit box, but I have both 32 and 64bit versions of Firefox. And its mostly updated. It does have the Java browser plug-in.


I changed my browser identification to the following when I use blackboard:
Code:
Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Konqueror/3.5; Linux; en_US) KHTML/3.5.7 (like Gecko) (I want to smack the blackboard people for not supporting my OS!)

Bonus points if you can figure out what I did! 8)
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 7:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blackboard is working just fine here. I can upload files easily.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 7:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My God! You have succesfully brought back school nightmares of using that POS application. I really hope I never have to deal with it again.
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I changed my browser identification to the following when I use blackboard:
Code:

Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Konqueror/3.5; Linux; en_US) KHTML/3.5.7 (like Gecko) (I want to smack the blackboard people for not supporting my OS!)


Bonus points if you can figure out what I did!


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 8:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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mdeininger wrote:
and the japanology department promotes macs a lot.
This makes me lol.


I'm just picturing a bunch of anime lovers with their macs talking about how awesome anime and steve jobs is.
funny, at our university there's precisely two japanology students with macs and of us two i think neither judith nor i qualify as 'anime lovers', while the professors (the guys promoting macs) generally can't stand anime... somehow your picture's a tad off :D.

there's /a lot/ more kids with macs with the CS and medicine folks. and a lot more kids that dig anime.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 8:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mdeininger wrote:
tylerwylie wrote:
mdeininger wrote:
and the japanology department promotes macs a lot.
This makes me lol.


I'm just picturing a bunch of anime lovers with their macs talking about how awesome anime and steve jobs is.
funny, at our university there's precisely two japanology students with macs and of us two i think neither judith nor i qualify as 'anime lovers', while the professors (the guys promoting macs) generally can't stand anime... somehow your picture's a tad off :D.

there's /a lot/ more kids with macs with the CS and medicine folks. and a lot more kids that dig anime.


Being the big Gaia fan that you are, I would have taken you as a big anime fan.

At my U., just about everyone who was technically inclined used Apple. I kept running across Linux users as well.

Not a lot of Windows love these days.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 11:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mdeininger wrote:
funny, at our university there's precisely two japanology students with macs and of us two i think neither judith nor i qualify as 'anime lovers', while the professors (the guys promoting macs) generally can't stand anime... somehow your picture's a tad off :D.


same here in heidelberg, the japanese teachs use macs... well, anything is a better choice than windows, which unfortunately runs on all the other machines, because the edv guys say it's easier to maintain if everyone uses the same system.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 3:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was excited to get out of high school because I thought I'd never have to use blackboard again. Little did I know.

My school is trying to gradually move from campus cruiser to some blackboard/microsoft combined solution. I think my school maintains their own servers, or they at least pretend to.
The campus cruiser people are good; I told them their webpage wouldn't render at all on a sparc and they fixed it within the week. I don't know if they were part of the college or their own thing though. So, I'm mostly annoyed at the response I got from the college (it was their support people - and my mac is a g3 so even if I wanted it to, word for mac won't work, yay for making up a different problem to "fix").

I rebuilt this box about a month ago, just to switch from 32bit to 64bit. I didn't try uploading files before that, but taking tests worked then and still works now. I really have no idea why I can't upload files. The file format doesn't matter at all. I turned off flash blocker and ad block plus, doesn't seem to be either of them. User agent switcher got installed after I discovered a problem.
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