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killfire
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 Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 8:54 pm Post subject: debian unstable vs gentoo arch or ~arch |
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can someone give me a quick comparison - for various reasons I need to be using debian, and there are quite a few packages for which I really need to be running unstable, but I want to get a gauge of how unstable this is.... can someone compare it to arch / ~arch? is it just like ~arch, or is it somewhere in between, or is gentoo's stable debians unstable, etc..
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I've found Debian's unstable to be very similar to Gentoo's. Gentoo stable would be more like Debian testing.
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| Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 9:24 pm Post subject: Re: debian unstable vs gentoo arch or ~arch |
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| killfire wrote: | | can someone give me a quick comparison - for various reasons I need to be using debian, and there are quite a few packages for which I really need to be running unstable, but I want to get a gauge of how unstable this is.... can someone compare it to arch / ~arch? is it just like ~arch, or is it somewhere in between, or is gentoo's stable debians unstable, etc.. |
Depending on how isolated the packages you need are, you can run a testing/unstable mix so debian only pulls in unstable packages when you tell it to. Dependencies can mess all that nice theory up of course. A reasonable guide seems to be here.
Worst case would seem to be equivalent to an unstable system though, assuming the debian devs are competent at listing dependencies. |
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| tarpman wrote: | | I've found Debian's unstable to be very similar to Gentoo's. Gentoo stable would be more like Debian testing. |
Debian testing? Don't they only have unstable, experimental, and stable of course...
And experimental would be more "unstable" so I am confused if you meant Debian Testing = Debian Experimental. |
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| Zepp wrote: | | Debian testing? Don't they only have unstable, experimental, and stable of course... |
Testing's somewhere between stable and unstable. I believe it's usually generated by some kind of script based on how long a package has been in unstable with no problems -- with things tightening down when a new stable release is approaching. |
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| TNorthover wrote: | | Zepp wrote: | | Debian testing? Don't they only have unstable, experimental, and stable of course... |
Testing's somewhere between stable and unstable. I believe it's usually generated by some kind of script based on how long a package has been in unstable with no problems -- with things tightening down when a new stable release is approaching. |
Ah ok, that makes sense. |
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| kernelOfTruth wrote: | debian stable == way old gentoo 
debian experimental == (arch)
debian ??? == gentoo ~arch
debian unstable == are you kidding ?, you can't work with that  |
I don't think gentoo's stable is equivalent to the most experimental/untested stage of debian  . |
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| Zepp wrote: | | kernelOfTruth wrote: | debian stable == way old gentoo
debian experimental == (arch)
debian ??? == gentoo ~arch
debian unstable == are you kidding ?, you can't work with that |
I don't think gentoo's stable is equivalent to the most experimental/untested stage of debian . |
What stable? I don't see kernelOfTruth saying anything about gentoo's stable.
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Debian unstable is ok but you need to be able to handle broken packages. Because it will eventually happen. 
I use Debian testing on my laptop.
Also, aptitude is more adept than apt-get at handling broken packages and dependency problems.
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In fact, Arch is pretty Debian testing look a like, but sometime, there package that can be considere SID from time to time.
And there is a Testing branch in Arch, and this branch can be considere an experimental one.
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| d2_racing wrote: | | In fact, Arch is pretty Debian testing look a like, but sometime, there package that can be considere SID from time to time. |
 Arch isn't at all similar to Debian, or are you are just comparing package quality? I would say Arch is more Debian unstable. Debian has a pretty good vetting system for introducing packages into the repository. I've had more breakage in Arch than Debian testing (in fact, I haven't had any breakage in Debian testing after a year), though it usually gets fixed soon enough.
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I ran Debian unstable on a box for about 2 years, never had any real breakage. Only problems I had were dependency problems, where I had to fix this or that to be able to upgrade some packages. No biggie.
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Arch isn't at all similar to Debian, or are you are just comparing package quality? |
No, for example KDE 3.5.8 was snap stable as soon as the KDE team had release the official package. Also, I had in the past some breakage with Arch and none with Debian Testing, because Debian is more conservator and also, they seem to have a better QA.
Arch seems to rush to release the latest available package at any cost.
So, we cannot compare Arch and Debian at all.
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| arnvidr wrote: | | I ran Debian unstable on a box for about 2 years, never had any real breakage. Only problems I had were dependency problems, where I had to fix this or that to be able to upgrade some packages. No biggie. |
One of my friends is running Debian since 2000 and he uses Debian SID also and he mix some exprimental packages and also some trunk packages for the kernel for exemple and everything seems to be working like a charm.
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