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The gnome team plans to mark 2.18 stable in the next few days.
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| Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 2:13 am Post subject: |
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| jmbsvicetto wrote: | | The gnome team plans to mark 2.18 stable in the next few days. |
Well I would hope they fix the gnome-power-manager icon problem before they do that. It has been a ridiculously long time sense the problem appeared. Definitely a 2.18 problem.  |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 2:29 am Post subject: |
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| Xamindar wrote: | | Well I would hope they fix the gnome-power-manager icon problem before they do that. It has been a ridiculously long time sense the problem appeared. Definitely a 2.18 problem. |
All points to a gtk+ micro version update problem, actually. At least my debugging does. Still working on debugging this time-allowing, but I don't consider this a gnome 2.18 only problem at this point. I do hope to get this fixed before stabling, but I don't consider this a show-stopper anymore for stabling.
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And before anyone asks about DVD support in totem and the dropping of xine USE flag:
xine support in totem is not supported by the GNOME team due to various issues with it. However due to popular demand I'm looking into trying to get the backend choosing between xine and gstreamer in totem possible to do on run-time, so that a certain command line argument could be given for totem if xine backend is wished for better (but in no ways good) DVD support. IF I succeed with that, then people who know how will be able to launch totem with the xine backend for this with a later revision bump, but that will be in no way supported and only provided as a convenience sort of thing.
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| Leio wrote: | And before anyone asks about DVD support in totem and the dropping of xine USE flag:
xine support in totem is not supported by the GNOME team due to various issues with it. However due to popular demand I'm looking into trying to get the backend choosing between xine and gstreamer in totem possible to do on run-time, so that a certain command line argument could be given for totem if xine backend is wished for better (but in no ways good) DVD support. IF I succeed with that, then people who know how will be able to launch totem with the xine backend for this with a later revision bump, but that will be in no way supported and only provided as a convenience sort of thing. |
I want. I am interested.
I've been using a modified gnome-2.18.0.ebuild with the totem RDEPEND modified to only required >=totem-2.16.4.
I'm sort of interested in why you think DVD support via xine in totem 2.16.4 is in no way good but then again I'm not interested in flames, so this sentence is mostly rhetorical.
I can't believe how crippled the gnome team made totem, on my system gstreamer (for video, audio seems to be okay) just doesn't make the cut. I don't mean just lack of DVD support, totem w/ gstreamer also has serious playback issues on my system.
It will be great to see this hit ARCH, and slightly before my original prediction back in post 2 or 3 of this thread  |
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pizzach
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| Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 5:20 pm Post subject: |
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| jmbsvicetto wrote: | | The gnome team plans to mark 2.18 stable in the next few days. |
Woopie! I was going to ask about the stabilization bug and how many items were still listed, but the bugs it depends on just sudenly started disappearing when I checked today.  Aren't they usally just struck out with a line? |
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Leio
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| Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 11:18 pm Post subject: |
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| pizzach wrote: | | jmbsvicetto wrote: | | The gnome team plans to mark 2.18 stable in the next few days. |
Woopie! I was going to ask about the stabilization bug and how many items were still listed, but the bugs it depends on just sudenly started disappearing when I checked today. Aren't they usally just struck out with a line? |
They are. The dependent bugs you are remembering are on the "2.18 official release" bug, not on the stabilization bug. I made the stabilization bug block the 2.18 official release bug now.
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Leio
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| jonnevers wrote: | | I'm sort of interested in why you think DVD support via xine in totem 2.16.4 is in no way good but then again I'm not interested in flames, so this sentence is mostly rhetorical. |
It doesn't have the support for all the DVD navigation stuff in the UI, for starters, so you can only use the mouse.
| jonnevers wrote: | | I can't believe how crippled the gnome team made totem, on my system gstreamer (for video, audio seems to be okay) just doesn't make the cut. I don't mean just lack of DVD support, totem w/ gstreamer also has serious playback issues on my system. |
Feel free to elaborate on that through mail (leio@g.o) or even better, over IRC in private messages to me (leio).
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| Leio wrote: | | Xamindar wrote: | | Well I would hope they fix the gnome-power-manager icon problem before they do that. It has been a ridiculously long time sense the problem appeared. Definitely a 2.18 problem. |
All points to a gtk+ micro version update problem, actually. At least my debugging does. Still working on debugging this time-allowing, but I don't consider this a gnome 2.18 only problem at this point. I do hope to get this fixed before stabling, but I don't consider this a show-stopper anymore for stabling. |
Well, it seems to me that the icon simply doesn't show in the tray when the gnome-power-manager is loaded BEFORE the tray panel applet is. I can't imagine what that could have to do with the gtk+ micro version but I'm not a developer. The same thing happens with azureus if I have it start on login and it happens to finish loading before my panel does. So if anything I would think it is a problem with the tray applet.
I would be willing to help solve this in any way possible. I run this on a laptop and not having a power indication is definitely a show stopper. |
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| Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 1:31 am Post subject: |
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| Xamindar wrote: | | it seems to me that the icon simply doesn't show in the tray when the gnome-power-manager is loaded BEFORE the tray panel applet is. |
It disappears also if you remove the notification area applet and add it back. With zenity --notification there is no such problem, and both gnome-power-manager and zenity use GtkStatusIcon. The only difference I've seen up to now is that zenity also handles the size-changed signal of GtkStatusIcon but that ought to not matter (and probably doesn't).
| Xamindar wrote: | | I can't imagine what that could have to do with the gtk+ micro version but I'm not a developer. |
GtkStatusIcon is part of gtk+, and GNOME 2.16 used a lower gtk+-2.10 version as well and there the problem didn't appear. So it's either a gtk+ regression in newer version of 2.10 series (whole 2.11 is then affected too), a notification area applet bug (but some upstream bugs point to peksystray having a similar problem, but I haven't confirmed yet myself if it's the same problem) or something I, nor some upstream guys I talked with at GUADEC, haven't thought of.
| Xamindar wrote: | | The same thing happens with azureus if I have it start on login and it happens to finish loading before my panel does. |
Azureus systray icon doesn't even survive a gnome-panel restart. That one is more than likely a SWT problem. I don't believe SWT utilizes GtkStatusIcon for its notification icon thing just yet.
| Xamindar wrote: | | So if anything I would think it is a problem with the tray applet. |
It's a possibility, but a gtk+ problem is more likely right now. As I said it needs further debugging.
| Xamindar wrote: | | I would be willing to help solve this in any way possible. |
Solving it involves debugging in gdb the interaction between the notification manager X Selection and GtkStatusIcon.
The problem is that the notification managers X selection either doesn't issue a PropertyNotify when notification-area-applet appears (that would probably be a applet issue), or GtkStatusIcon isn't listening for that event in that case. Latter is more likely because "zenity --notification" gets the X selections PropertyNotify through gdk window events and its filters, while gnome-power-managers GtkStatusIcon does not - that in the very same readding of the applet.
| Xamindar wrote: | | I run this on a laptop and not having a power indication is definitely a show stopper. |
The workaround is
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in a terminal right after GNOME has started up. Something similar is also noted in the GNOME 2.18 Upgrade guide.
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| Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 2:21 am Post subject: |
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| Leio wrote: | | jonnevers wrote: | | I can't believe how crippled the gnome team made totem, on my system gstreamer (for video, audio seems to be okay) just doesn't make the cut. I don't mean just lack of DVD support, totem w/ gstreamer also has serious playback issues on my system. |
Feel free to elaborate on that through mail (leio@g.o) or even better, over IRC in private messages to me (leio). |
just to be clear, I meant the gnome dev's upstream and *not* the gentoo gnome team.
I've run into issues with totem in regards to gstreamer as the video system and things like repeat playback was broken.
The only screenshot I have of video quality degradation is most likely from the 2.16 totem w/ gstreamer (since it's from sept). |
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Hello all,
I have one problem with gnome for several weeks.
I can access data cdrom and plug usb keys but I can not listen to my audio CDs (even as root, program used is totem).
My users are part of cdrom, audio and plugdev.
Thx for your help !
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small tip: if you have installed gtk-2.11.6 or later and libglade won't build you must set -UGTK_ENABLE_BROKEN compilation flag. i don't know how todo that but it must work. other way is temporary patch gtk/gtktooltips.h (comment first and last lines)
UPDATE: the same for gnome-applets, gnome-bluetooth, gtkmm
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| jonnevers wrote: |
The only screenshot I have of video quality degradation is most likely from the 2.16 totem w/ gstreamer (since it's from sept). |
That image is not bad quality video. You just need to turn on deinterlacing. There is probably nothing wrong with totem. Xine or mplayer would show the same result if deinterlacing was turned off. |
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| Leio wrote: | | pizzach wrote: | | jmbsvicetto wrote: | | The gnome team plans to mark 2.18 stable in the next few days. |
Woopie! I was going to ask about the stabilization bug and how many items were still listed, but the bugs it depends on just sudenly started disappearing when I checked today. Aren't they usally just struck out with a line? |
They are. The dependent bugs you are remembering are on the "2.18 official release" bug, not on the stabilization bug. I made the stabilization bug block the 2.18 official release bug now. |
My bad. I confused the bug pages when I had went searching again. |
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| Xamindar wrote: | | jonnevers wrote: |
The only screenshot I have of video quality degradation is most likely from the 2.16 totem w/ gstreamer (since it's from sept). |
That image is not bad quality video. You just need to turn on deinterlacing. There is probably nothing wrong with totem. Xine or mplayer would show the same result if deinterlacing was turned off. |
not true. The screenshot showed what the video output looked like with gstreamer as the backend. No other modification (preferences or otherwise) was done to totem when it was recompiled with xine and the image degradation went away. If deinterlacing was requried, gstreamer should have just done it...
maybe i'll try it again with totem 2.18 but really, whats the use? totem is a leaf node application, so i'm not sure i care at all that it isn't the latest and greatest b/c quite frankly nothing is really all the great about the new version of totem. |
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| jonnevers wrote: |
not true. The screenshot showed what the video output looked like with gstreamer as the backend. No other modification (preferences or otherwise) was done to totem when it was recompiled with xine and the image degradation went away. If deinterlacing was requried, gstreamer should have just done it...
maybe i'll try it again with totem 2.18 but really, whats the use? totem is a leaf node application, so i'm not sure i care at all that it isn't the latest and greatest b/c quite frankly nothing is really all the great about the new version of totem. |
It sounds like you should just switch to another application in the mean-time. But from experience VLC and mplayer do not deinterlace by default either. What you are seeing is not degradation. That is the true video signal. I've seen interlacing on my (cheap) DVD player hooked to my television too.
I personally don't use Totem an a gnome install in the same way I don't use WMP on windows or Quicktime on a Mac. |
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| pizzach wrote: | It sounds like you should just switch to another application in the mean-time. But from experience VLC and mplayer do not deinterlace by default either. What you are seeing is not degradation. That is the true video signal. I've seen interlacing on my (cheap) DVD player hooked to my television too.
I personally don't use Totem an a gnome install in the same way I don't use WMP on windows or Quicktime on a Mac. |
Mplayer in fact doesn't, and I'd like to know how to turn it on, I can't find it anywhere =/ |
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Some might have noticed that 'few days' could be considered over, so here's an update:
expat-2.0.0 has been in the tree for quite a long time, sitting in ~arch and not going stable. That's because it was without a maintainer for a while, plus the update breaks ABI and everything linking to it will need to be recompiled (as identified by revdep-rebuild). Most of the things linking against it are desktop environment packages, both KDE, GNOME and more.
So due to that the KDE and GNOME teams have thought for a while to stabilize expat2 alongside either a KDE or a GNOME new version stabilization, to minimize double recompile of packages, as if they are stabilized together most users should be able to just upgrade the desktop environment and as a side effect get most of the ABI breakage fixed, as many of the packages that link to it are recompiled (against the new expat) during the upgrade.
So now we are pushing through with that, and actually doing all of KDE and GNOME stabilization together with expat2, to minimize user inconvenience as much as possible, while the stabilization times happened to collide well.
However KDE stabilization hit a little road block by needing a new stable portage release to fix some PDEPEND dependency logic to not get broken things related to avahi, I believe. That portage fix will probably benefit GNOME as well, just not so visibly (as we don't know of this actually causing crashes), as we do utilize PDEPEND quite a bit as well.
This new portage version is now in the tree as version 2.1.2.11 and it is going to be fast-tracked to stable. Once that is done very soon now, we are good to go with stabilizing all of expat-2.0.0, GNOME-2.18.2 and KDE-3.5.7 jointly with the KDE team 
I'm really hopeful for things reaching that state tomorrow 
Arch teams should need some praise afterwards if they pull it off. Poor guys are going to have to stabilize all this as close to eachother time-wise as possible
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| saboya wrote: | | Mplayer in fact doesn't, and I'd like to know how to turn it on, I can't find it anywhere =/ |
There doesn't appear to be a checkbox in gmplayer, but you can set it up manually. Probably the easiest way is to make gnome do a custom mplayer command when you insert a dvd so that it doesn't effect general movie files. (Usually only dvds are interlaced.) You can add the dvd specific command to the "Removable Drives and Media" control panel preference for DVDs ala "mplayer -vf pp=lb dvd://" or something along those lines...
To set it deinterlacing globally for all files in mplayer you can add something like "vf=pp=lb" to ~/.mplayer/config
http://tldp.org/HOWTO/DVD-Playback-HOWTO/usage.html has a very nice summary for educating you in deinterlacing for mplayer. There are a bunch of different deinterlace filters so make sure to check out the link. |
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Any news on expat? I havn't been able to find anything of value on bugs.gentoo.org
Edit: 05/08/07
Looks like things should be moving forward in the next day or so, as long as the devs aren't sitting on their hands. There was a post CC'ed on bugs.gentoo.org for curl, expat, gnome, and kde, so hopefully the four should be stabilized in the next day or so. |
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| Leio wrote: | I'm really hopeful for things reaching that state tomorrow
Arch teams should need some praise afterwards if they pull it off. Poor guys are going to have to stabilize all this as close to eachother time-wise as possible |
any word? I saw gnome-2.18.2-r1 hit portage, still ~ARCH. |
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| jonnevers wrote: | | Leio wrote: | I'm really hopeful for things reaching that state tomorrow
Arch teams should need some praise afterwards if they pull it off. Poor guys are going to have to stabilize all this as close to eachother time-wise as possible |
any word? I saw gnome-2.18.2-r1 hit portage, still ~ARCH. |
The request for the stabilization of gnome, kde, expat and curl was done a few hours ago.
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| Quote: | bertaboy> Any update for gnome stabilization?
<armin76> what update do you want?
<Ticho> yes, there is an update
<Ticho> i have just begun testing it
<armin76> omg!11!
<bertaboy> sweet, thanks
<Ticho> testing as in emerging
<armin76> Ticho: i'll do kde, we'll have to stabilize both at the same time
<Ticho> tomorrow or the day after
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from changelog @ 4:36PM, CST:
| Quote: | 07 Aug 2007; Tobias Scherbaum <dertobi123@gentoo.org>
gnome-2.18.2-r1.ebuild:
Stable on ppc wrt bug #185823.
07 Aug 2007; Gustavo Zacarias <gustavoz@gentoo.org>
gnome-2.18.2-r1.ebuild:
Stable on sparc wrt #185823 |
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