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I can't seem to get Compiz to work with the Composite Community stuff. In fact, I can't get any compositing effects nor window decorations. Compiz is running, but it acts no different from Kwin; I can't even move windows using Alt.
I also can't seem to find any information on using it online. Does anyone else know where I could find it?
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| I didn't bookmark the page, but someone had a helpful guide... Basically there's a startup script you need, "compiz-manager". I'm just heading out so I can't look for it right now, sorry. |
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| Posted: Sat May 26, 2007 9:06 pm Post subject: Re: Composite Community Howto? |
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| Kenji Miyamoto wrote: | I can't seem to get Compiz to work with the Composite Community stuff. In fact, I can't get any compositing effects nor window decorations. Compiz is running, but it acts no different from Kwin; I can't even move windows using Alt.
I also can't seem to find any information on using it online. Does anyone else know where I could find it? |
http://nesl247.org/category/xeffects/
[url]emerge compcomm[/url] from xeffects overlay,
set it up with ccsm && start it with:
| Code: | | compiz --replace ccp --sm-disable |
and | Code: | | emerald --replace & |
works fine here 
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| Posted: Sat May 26, 2007 9:12 pm Post subject: Random Amateur Programming. |
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| Quote: | | I can't get any compositing effects nor window decorations |
I've found the various compiz/quinnstorm/beryl code to be nothing but an embarrassment so far. Get the hell out. |
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| Posted: Sun May 27, 2007 3:06 am Post subject: Re: Random Amateur Programming. |
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| _pF_ wrote: | | I've found the various compiz/quinnstorm/beryl code to be nothing but an embarrassment so far. Get the hell out. |
Is that your "professional" opinion?
Please, if you can only talk smack, then do it elsewhere. You obviously are one of a few who can't follow simple instructions or who has a unsupported system/card and just can get past it.
Yes, I am in a crabby mood (working double overtime does that).
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| Posted: Sun May 27, 2007 3:38 pm Post subject: Re: Random Amateur Programming. |
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[quote="kernelOfTruth"] | Kenji Miyamoto wrote: |
| Code: | | compiz --replace ccp --sm-disable |
and | Code: | | emerald --replace & |
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The ccp configuration backend is exactly what I had a problem with until I found the compiz manager script - ccsm just wouldnt do anything no matter what I tried. 
| _pF_ wrote: | | I've found the various compiz/quinnstorm/beryl code to be nothing but an embarrassment so far. Get the hell out. |
Thankyou so much for that helpful advice. Lets all stop using comipz and never use these forums again. We wouldn't want to embarrass _pF_ any further. |
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roderick and ianegg: don't shoot the messenger.
You can try to denigrate him though. |
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| roderick & ianegg: don't shoot the messenger; or just try and use Argumentum ad Hominem. |
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ianegg
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| Posted: Sun May 27, 2007 10:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Ok, so please quote us specific sections of code from the compiz project that embarrass you. And please explain the technical minuatae of your argument "get the hell out" so we can properly discuss your position on the matter. |
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| Posted: Mon May 28, 2007 4:17 am Post subject: Re: Random Amateur Programming. |
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| _pF_ wrote: | | Quote: | | I can't get any compositing effects nor window decorations |
I've found the various compiz/quinnstorm/beryl code to be nothing but an embarrassment so far. Get the hell out. |
You are completely off topic. GTHO.
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| _pF_ wrote: | | roderick & ianegg: don't shoot the messenger; or just try and use Argumentum ad Hominem. |
This isn't the place for arguments period. State your opinions elsewhere, this isn't the place for your deluded crap. It's ridiculous for you to talk about ad hominem when you used it yourself at the very beginning. Don't forget you used words like "embarassment," "get the hell out", etc. What kind of real substantive argument was present in that? Nothing. You have said absolutely nothing of value as an argument (which would be out of place here even if it was), or that was helpful to the OP. |
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| ianegg wrote: | | Ok, so please quote us specific sections of code from the compiz project that embarrass you. And please explain the technical minuatae of your argument "get the hell out" so we can properly discuss your position on the matter. |
The fact that the compiz/beryl code manages to crash my box such that only a power-cycle restores it is enough for me to doubt its integrity. It looks to me like the coders don't understand elementary memory management; that's the embarrassment.
And that's my professional opinion. |
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| If you are so convinced it's a problem with compiz/beryl rather than your drivers/hardware/etc. and you KNOW this is a problem with their code then you should be helping fix what you know is wrong rather than making snide comments. But I seriously doubt your professional abilities are as great as you would claim. |
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| _pF_ wrote: | | ianegg wrote: | | Ok, so please quote us specific sections of code from the compiz project that embarrass you. And please explain the technical minuatae of your argument "get the hell out" so we can properly discuss your position on the matter. |
The fact that the compiz/beryl code manages to crash my box such that only a power-cycle restores it is enough for me to doubt its integrity. It looks to me like the coders don't understand elementary memory management; that's the embarrassment.
And that's my professional opinion. |
try out magic sysrq + e
next time it crashes
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| Posted: Mon May 28, 2007 10:49 pm Post subject: Re: Composite Community Howto? |
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| Kenji Miyamoto wrote: | I can't seem to get Compiz to work with the Composite Community stuff. In fact, I can't get any compositing effects nor window decorations. Compiz is running, but it acts no different from Kwin; I can't even move windows using Alt.
I also can't seem to find any information on using it online. Does anyone else know where I could find it? |
Try uninstalling all compiz related apps and then
use the xeffects overlay to install from
emerge -av1 compcomm will get you all the
basic components. Then you can get Kristian's start script.
http://www.opencompositing.org/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=206
first create a ~/.compiz folder
then put the script in /usr/bin and make it executable
execute "compiz-manager &" as user
it will create a local config file ~/.config/compiz-managerrc
which you edit for your preferred decorator "emerald"
and you can change the backend plugin from "ini" to "ccp"
then restart "compiz-manager &"
then start compiz settings manager "ccsm &"
which is like the old beryl-settings, and
enable the basic plugins, move, decorator, cube, etc...
| _pF_ wrote: | | ianegg wrote: | | Ok, so please quote us specific sections of code from the compiz project that embarrass you. And please explain the technical minuatae of your argument "get the hell out" so we can properly discuss your position on the matter. |
The fact that the compiz/beryl code manages to crash my box such that only a power-cycle restores it is enough for me to doubt its integrity. It looks to me like the coders don't understand elementary memory management; that's the embarrassment.
And that's my professional opinion. |
Very professional dude. It seems to me that the only embarrassing thing here is your computer skills
or lack there of. I am a linux noob and, along with THOUSANDS of other people i have Compiz running
just fine. You should probably spend your professional time trying to figure out why your computer is such crap.
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| Posted: Tue May 29, 2007 3:13 pm Post subject: Re: Composite Community Howto? |
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| Jupiter1TX wrote: | Try uninstalling all compiz related apps and then
use the xeffects overlay to install from
emerge -av1 compcomm will get you all the
basic components. Then you can get Kristian's start script.
http://www.opencompositing.org/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=206
first create a ~/.compiz folder
then put the script in /usr/bin and make it executable
execute "compiz-manager &" as user
it will create a local config file ~/.config/compiz-managerrc
which you edit for your preferred decorator "emerald"
and you can change the backend plugin from "ini" to "ccp"
then restart "compiz-manager &"
then start compiz settings manager "ccsm &"
which is like the old beryl-settings, and
enable the basic plugins, move, decorator, cube, etc... |
Is this on a wiki anywhere? Getting compcomm working is easy once you know this, but it isn't quite as straight forward as beryl was (even for a genius such as myself...) I think it was a post by Jupiter on another forum I was referring to earlier. |
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HI JUPITER! 
Yeah, there's not really a big wealth of information on Compcomm, but it's not finished yet anyway (it doesn't even have a name yet!). When it becomes more mature, there will probably be a huge amount of information and stuff, just like for Beryl.
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| Posted: Tue May 29, 2007 3:37 pm Post subject: Re: Composite Community Howto? |
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| ianegg wrote: | | Jupiter1TX wrote: | Try uninstalling all compiz related apps and then
use the xeffects overlay to install from
emerge -av1 compcomm will get you all the
basic components. Then you can get Kristian's start script.
http://www.opencompositing.org/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=206
first create a ~/.compiz folder
then put the script in /usr/bin and make it executable
execute "compiz-manager &" as user
it will create a local config file ~/.config/compiz-managerrc
which you edit for your preferred decorator "emerald"
and you can change the backend plugin from "ini" to "ccp"
then restart "compiz-manager &"
then start compiz settings manager "ccsm &"
which is like the old beryl-settings, and
enable the basic plugins, move, decorator, cube, etc... |
Is this on a wiki anywhere? Getting compcomm working is easy once you know this, but it isn't quite as straight forward as beryl was (even for a genius such as myself...) I think it was a post by Jupiter on another forum I was referring to earlier. |
come on ...
it's trivial
only requirement: you need an nvidia-card with glx texture to pixmap working
0) set up xeffects overlay (thanks nesl247 )
1) unmask it in package.unmask
2) install the meta-package: x11-wm/compcomm, x11-plugins/compcomm-plugins-unsupported
3) start ccsm, set everything up
4) fire up compiz via | Code: | | compiz --replace ccp --sm-disable |
and launch emerald: &
5) finished !
one thing still missing is a replacement for beryl-manager, switching is a little bit tricky:
1) kill compiz, emerald
2) launch metacity (or other wm)
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It's the ccp bit I had trouble with, and apprently the OP too... I tried all the different config backends I noticed, but ccsm didn't seem to want to do anything. Looking through /usr/lib/compiz, ccp doesn't stand out as a plugin you should be loading to enable configuration. (And it's obviously something I couldn't remember off the top of my head when someone else needed help.) Especially for people who didn't use the original compiz, and don't know how to load plugins at all. With beryl, you just run beryl and emerald and it works.
Where did everyone discover that you have to load the ccp plugin? What does "--sm-disable" do?
It may be trivial when you know how, but for noobs it's far from it.
It would definitely be great of beryl-manager could be updated. Though when I want to switch to a normal wm, I just use "kwin --replace". |
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| _pF_ wrote: | | ianegg wrote: | | Ok, so please quote us specific sections of code from the compiz project that embarrass you. And please explain the technical minuatae of your argument "get the hell out" so we can properly discuss your position on the matter. |
The fact that the compiz/beryl code manages to crash my box such that only a power-cycle restores it is enough for me to doubt its integrity. It looks to me like the coders don't understand elementary memory management; that's the embarrassment.
And that's my professional opinion. |
You have no clue what you are talking about. Come back when you have some debugging information to prove that it is a beryl/compiz/compcomm bug, and not just complete and utter ignorance (which is what we will assume from your attitude, and lack of proof).
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You have no clue what you are talking about. Come back when you have some debugging information to prove that it is a beryl/compiz/compcomm bug, and not just complete and utter ignorance (which is what we will assume from your attitude, and lack of proof). |
You're right. My computer crashed whilst starting beryl due to my utter ignorance.
Beryl, Compiz and compcomm are stable. They all know how to handle memory. It was only my attitude and utter ignorance that caused them to crash and render my box inoperable save for a hard reset. |
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| You really should check your attitude _pF_ - telling people to "get the hell out" for asking questions has never been considered anything but bad attitude... If you have a genuine problem with compcomm that you would like to see fixed why not file a bug or try to help fix it? If you really don't care, then it's best for you and everyone else if you restrain yourself from making inflammatory comments. Most people's computers handle beryl/compiz without failing completely, and virtually screaming at people who are trying to get help using them isn't going to fix/change anything. It just makes you seem ignorant, hence the response you received. |
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| ianegg wrote: | | ...telling people to "get the hell out" for asking questions has never been considered anything but bad attitude... |
I apologize for that. |
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| ianegg wrote: | It's the ccp bit I had trouble with, and apprently the OP too... I tried all the different config backends I noticed, but ccsm didn't seem to want to do anything. Looking through /usr/lib/compiz, ccp doesn't stand out as a plugin you should be loading to enable configuration. (And it's obviously something I couldn't remember off the top of my head when someone else needed help.) Especially for people who didn't use the original compiz, and don't know how to load plugins at all. With beryl, you just run beryl and emerald and it works.
Where did everyone discover that you have to load the ccp plugin? What does "--sm-disable" do?
It may be trivial when you know how, but for noobs it's far from it.
It would definitely be great of beryl-manager could be updated. Though when I want to switch to a normal wm, I just use "kwin --replace". |
Heya ianegg. You are correct. If you are new to this, it takes a little help. I have been fortunate to have
people around here and the Xeffects and Beryl forums help me many times. One thing I have learned on
my own is to read everything and anything associated with what i am trying to do. But here again, if you
are new to this you need help to find the information. Since Beryl forum has gone dark, while we organize
the merged project, information can be gotten from the new forum http://www.opencompositing.org
The name will be changing soon as we get ready for a release candidate. A great source of information
for compcomm can be found in the "Installing CompComm" section of the forum.
http://www.opencompositing.org/viewforum.php?f=12
Just so you know, ccp is a backend plugin not a feature "eye candy plugin" When using the ccp backend,
there is no need for you to load or organize plugins, as it will do it for you. All you have to do is decide
which front end is easier for you to use CCSM or Gconf. With ccp you will be able to use the new
beryl-settings replacement ccsm which is a GUI similar to beryl-settings. Or you can use the ini
backend and manage your compiz with gconf, eww...LOL There is a tray icon compiz-manager in the
works, but it is still a little buggy. I have it installed and i must add that it is almost ready for prime
time. This new tray icon uses Kristians compiz-manager script to start compiz. Until it is stable though
i will stick with using the compiz-manager script from command line. If you need more info or help, don't
hesitate to post a question on the new forum as we are trying to build a record of questions and resolutions.
As you have seen from this thread, there are many good people here that really contribute to this
community "roderick, vipernicus, kernelOfTruth, etc..." Most of these guy's actually go above and beyond
to contribute to the community and enhance our computer experience. We must be greatful to them and
learn to ignore those who have nothing to contribute but ignorant statements surfacing from an inferiority
complex.
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