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PostPosted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 6:35 pm    Post subject: PostgreSQL Guide Feedback Reply with quote

Hey all,

I did a guide on PostgreSQL setup located here:

http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/postgres-howto.xml

and would like feedback on it. As with everything else, I can't guarantee I'll accept everyone's sugestions,
but I'll sure be appreciative :).

Anyways, I'm mainly doing this as it's a draft, and I need to see how people expect to use it.

Thanks to everyone!

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 8:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow, I wish this had been available a few months ago when I was getting into Postgres for the first time on Gentoo. Anyway, thanks!

One nitpick:
In the USE flag section this line:
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nls If this option is enabled, PostgreSQL can utilized translated strings for non-English speaking users.


Should be:
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nls If this option is enabled, PostgreSQL can utilize translated strings for non-English speaking users.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 8:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ack, thanks for catching that, I'll toss it to the next docs person I see.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 8:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The guide works well. Thanks!!
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 7:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice overview :-)

Had no problem installing a nice little postgres server with it !

Thanks a lot for the guide !
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 10:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks, thats great! :D
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 5:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just a couple of things.

First off, I wouldnt start off the introduction with a comparison / rip on MySQL. I agree with you 100% of course, but I'd take a line from this instead.

Another thing, I would change this:

"To start out, let's create a test database by using the createdb command. We'll also pass along the -U option to set the user (it defaults to the current user name if you don't), ..."

I'd change "the current user name" part to something like "the current user logged in (root, for example)." Something along those lines to distinguish that you're talking about system users, not psql users.

Last thing, it might be kind of nice to throw in some environment variables that can be set, such as PG_USER, so I don't have to pass -U each time. :)

Looking good, though.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 3:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You've got the exact same issues as your Mysql How-to, near total lack of Gentoo specific info.

Things that would actually fix user probems before they have them:

1. Discussion of config files. /var/lib/postgressql/pg_hba.conf and /etc/conf.d/postgresql should be mentioned and the user might need to touch these to get what they want.

2. Bound to localhost by default. Gentoo default is to bind database to localhost by default. THe guide should explain that and how to change. If you're feeling like an overachiever you can even discuss IP and username ACL's

3. How to delete the database and start from scratch. Every user screws up their db and want to start from scratch or at least from a point where they can get back into their database.

There are a thousand plus places I can go to learn how to insert into Postgres and hardly any that has reliable Gentoo specific info about how Postgres was installed, where the config files are, and some of the default settings. The Gentoo docs should cover the Gentoo specific cases before doing anything else.

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PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2006 11:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Foreign keys have been supported in MySQL for InnoDB tables since version 3.23. Some things that were added in MySQL 5 were views, stored procedures and triggers.

You're free to bash MySQL if you want to, but please get your facts straight. See here: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/ansi-diff-foreign-keys.html
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PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2006 9:04 am    Post subject: libpq ? Reply with quote

You might want to mention the library-only package, "libpq" in there somewhere..

This is what I went there looking for, and ended up asking on #gentoo instead ;)

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 10, 2006 5:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I followed the guide and liked it.

After setting up all those users and passwords, I was suprised to find that the database would accept my connections and changes no matter what password I gave. After some other research I found out why : the "trust" option in pg_hba.conf. I don't know if want to mention that in your guide or not.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 9:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The guide looks good!

Maybe you should add a note about PGAdmin, in my opinion a nice PostgreSQL application, which is available in Portage, dev-db/pgadmin3.

Keep up the good work,
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 8:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Code Listing 2.7: Setting up the superuser:
$ createuser -a -d -P -E -U postgres -W chris

Should be:
Code:
$ createuser -s -d -P -E -U postgres -W chris


Code Listing 2.8: Setting up the standard user:
$ createuser -A -D -P -E -U postgres -W chris

Should be:
Code:
$ createuser -S -d -P -E -U postgres -W chris


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shadow ~ # createuser --help |grep superuser
-s, --superuser role will be superuser
-S, --no-superuser role will not be superuser
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 6:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ideas/suggestions:

  • Backups - briefly mention pgdump and online/PITR backups - having a great database is useless without backups!
  • More postgresql.org references - the documentation on postgresql.org is fantastic and should be mentioned more often than just the very last sentence.
  • Performance - out of the box postgres can be a little sluggish on a large DB, point everyone to the performance guide on powerpostgresql.com



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 3:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Note that the 'Oracle Reference Guide' link in the description of the 'pg-hier' USE flag is broken, you seem to have inserted spaces into it.
The correct link is http://www.lc.leidenuniv.nl/awcourse/oracle/server.920/a96540/queries4a.htm
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 4:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Although it's not as severe as with MySQL, but an upgrade guide for Postgres would be very helpful. Having information regarding that will save many of us novice Postgres users a little time from scrounging through the forums and on google. :wink:
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 10:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I started to follow this tutorial, but I get:
Code:

createuser: could not connect to database postgres: FATAL:  could not open file "global/pg_database": No such file or directory

I also notice I keep getting a *.pid message when restarting Postgresql

Code:
# /etc/init.d/postgresql restart
 * Stopping PostgreSQL ...
No process in pidfile `/var/lib/postgresql/data/postmaster.pid' found running; none killed.                                                         [ ok ]
 * Starting PostgreSQL ... 


Any ideas?
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 10:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The emerge --config creates by default b0rked databases that don't support utf8. I know it's not yet supported, but the 8.2 ebuild doesn't have an emerge --config at all.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 9:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi,
I have also the error when trying to create a db (sorry for french output) :


Code:

stan@hermes ~/Bommings/bommings-dev $ createdb -U postgres -W test
Mot de passe :
createdb: échec lors de la connexion à la base de données postgres: FATAL:  n'a pas pu ouvrir le fichier «global/pg_database» : Aucun fichier ou répertoire de ce type


I followed the howto, change postgres user passwd etc.

Thx !

EDIT : I fixed that in killing -9 the postgres process rather than /etc/init.d/postgresql restart which restart nothing !!!
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 11:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GoofballJM1 wrote:
Although it's not as severe as with MySQL, but an upgrade guide for Postgres would be very helpful. Having information regarding that will save many of us novice Postgres users a little time from scrounging through the forums and on google. :wink:


heh. Obviously you've never tried to update from Postgres 7.2 to 7.4. Or from 7.4 to 8.0. Bloody nightmare if you've got databases of any complexity. On top of all that Postgres can not replicate between different versions so database updates of Postgres always require extensive downtime rather than the Mysql way of updating a slave and then promoting it to master. Some downtime is required, but you're not waiting for 40 minute imports of your database dumps to finish.

I'd say there definitely needs to be a Postgres update guide even though things have been relatively calm in the 8.0+ versions.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 2:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe somebody can help me here.
After upgrading several perl scripts yesterda, when I try to log-in to sql-ledger I get an error:
apache log:
Code:
/usr/local/sql-ledger/login.pl: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.8/i686-linux/auto/DBD/Pg/Pg.so: undefined symbol: PQserverVersion
[client 127.0.0.1] Premature end of script headers: login.pl

Can anybody point me in the right direction?
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 2:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

how about adding a guide on doing backup and/or doing a upgrade?
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 2:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wow nice !
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PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2007 10:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

After updating to postgresql-8.2.4-r1 I try to do
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createdb -U postgres -W test

and receive the same error
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createdb: could not connect to database postgres: FATAL: could not open file "global/pg_database"

Thanks for attention in advance.
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PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2007 3:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Big thank for Postgresql documentation I rely needed
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