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ssuominen
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 Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 9:36 am Post subject: sys-fs/ntfs3g to replace sys-fs/captive for NTFS read/write? |
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"Hello,
As part of the Linux-NTFS project, I'm happy to announce my contribution
to ntfsmount and libntfs which resulted ntfs-3g, a read-write ntfs driver,
capable for unlimited file creation and deletion.
The driver was successfully tested very exhaustively for a longer period of
time by many ways and methods, creating and destroying millions of files and
directories on newly created images, and on over 40 real, very diverse NTFS
images collected over the last four years."
Read more from http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_id=23836054&forum_id=2697
Apparently this driver does not need native NTFS driver from Microsoft, but does everything itself using sys-fs/fuse. 
Here is an ebuild if you like to test it,
# Copyright 1999-2006 Gentoo Foundation
# Distributed under the terms of the GNU General Public License v2
# $Header: $
DESCRIPTION="Read-write ntfs driver, capable for unlimited file creation and deletion."
HOMEPAGE="http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_id=23836054&forum_id=2697"
SRC_URI="http://mlf.linux.rulez.org/mlf/ezaz/ntfs-3g-${PV}-BETA.tgz"
IUSE=""
LICENSE="GPL-2"
SLOT="0"
KEYWORDS="~x86"
DEPEND="sys-fs/fuse"
RDEPEND="${DEPEND}"
S="${WORKDIR}"/ntfs-3g-${PV}-BETA
src_install() {
emake DESTDIR="${D}" install || die "emake install failed."
dodoc AUTHORS ChangeLog CREDITS NEWS README
}
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mariux2
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| Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 10:08 am Post subject: |
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It works great, only its a bit slow.
Hopefully that will improve in the future |
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ssuominen
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| Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 10:19 am Post subject: Forgot to mention ebuild name.. |
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| Use sys-fs/ntfs3g/ntfs3g-20070714.ebuild for that ebuild. |
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Mesto
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| Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 10:36 am Post subject: |
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yep i got it to work in archlinx (laptop) once i get my dualboot on my desktop (Gentoo/xp) then ill try this....i have 4 SATA hardrives want to be able to access all of them 
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Hauser
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| Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 10:50 am Post subject: |
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I can't seem to get it mount on boot. My fstab entry is as follows:
| Code: | | /dev/sda1 /win/C ntfs-3g silent,umask=0,uid=1000,gid=100 0 0 |
I can mount it manually:
But when I reboot, I get:
| Code: | | mount: Unknown filesystem type 'ntfs-3g' |
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omidxo
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| Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 11:36 am Post subject: |
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| tks a lot |
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Tyler_Durden
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| Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 5:37 pm Post subject: Re: Full Ntfs driver for linux released |
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There is already a topic about that.
Edit by NeddySeagoon - Two posts merged here
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safeness
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| Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 6:13 pm Post subject: |
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Recursive linkage? Oh the humanity! 
I saw this on slashdot earlier and will definitely try it out once it hits portage or when I have an ntfs drive that I need to write to. 
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Woohoo, major props to Szaka for developing this driver, it really opens up a whole lot of possibilities!
I just installed it using the Ebuild posted above, and so far I haven't encountered a single problem, everything is working as advertised!
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yoshi314
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| Posted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 9:31 am Post subject: |
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heh ms is gonna be pissed.
they probably expected ntfs to be figured out when they would already have a new fs :]
wonder what will they do now?
btw did anyone have problems with it? is it stable enough?
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enderandrew
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| Posted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 10:05 am Post subject: |
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Why would MS be pissed?
If you're using this, then you're dual booting and keeping a NTFS partition. That means you have a copy of Windows. MS should be happy anytime a Linux user is still keeping a copy of Windows.
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Hauser
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| Posted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 10:13 am Post subject: |
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| doalwa wrote: | ...
I just installed it using the Ebuild posted above, and so far I haven't encountered a single problem, everything is working as advertised! |
Can you get it automatically mounted on boot?
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| enderandrew wrote: | Why would MS be pissed?
If you're using this, then you're dual booting and keeping a NTFS partition. That means you have a copy of Windows. MS should be happy anytime a Linux user is still keeping a copy of Windows. |
yeah that would be true IF we would still have to rely on captive-ntfs, which needs some of ms code to work.
but who says i can't use ntfs partition for arbitrary [non-ms] data now? :>
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It certainly is possible, but I'm not sure why a Linux user who doesn't use Windows would use NTFS. NTFS isn't horrid, but why use any experimental driver for a file system, when better fully-open-source native file systems exist in the Linux world?
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| Posted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 2:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | I'm not sure why a Linux user who doesn't use Windows would use NTFS |
- to test the driver out, and avoid the wrath of the rest of his windows-addicted family when windows partition goes missing
- because he can!
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| Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 8:17 am Post subject: |
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| yoshi314 wrote: | | enderandrew wrote: | Why would MS be pissed?
If you're using this, then you're dual booting and keeping a NTFS partition. That means you have a copy of Windows. MS should be happy anytime a Linux user is still keeping a copy of Windows. |
yeah that would be true IF we would still have to rely on captive-ntfs, which needs some of ms code to work.
but who says i can't use ntfs partition for arbitrary [non-ms] data now? :> |
If you didn't have Windows installed at all, why on earth would you use NTFS for a partition when you've got a bunch of filesystems in Linux that are better?
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| Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 8:45 am Post subject: |
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| Does anyone know when ntfs-3g will become AMD64 compatible? |
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| Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 8:46 am Post subject: |
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file creation and deletion? isn't more required to have all the possibilities a filesystem-driver should have?
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mariux2
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| Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 8:58 am Post subject: |
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| Archangel1 wrote: | | yoshi314 wrote: | | enderandrew wrote: | Why would MS be pissed?
If you're using this, then you're dual booting and keeping a NTFS partition. That means you have a copy of Windows. MS should be happy anytime a Linux user is still keeping a copy of Windows. |
yeah that would be true IF we would still have to rely on captive-ntfs, which needs some of ms code to work.
but who says i can't use ntfs partition for arbitrary [non-ms] data now? :> |
If you didn't have Windows installed at all, why on earth would you use NTFS for a partition when you've got a bunch of filesystems in Linux that are better? |
Because you have an external hard drive that you use on other pc's too. |
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| Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 11:12 am Post subject: |
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| JoKo wrote: | | Does anyone know when ntfs-3g will become AMD64 compatible? |
I'm just using it! No problems so far. |
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ssuominen
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| Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 1:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Apparently chutzpah committed this to Portage tree. |
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| Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 2:33 pm Post subject: |
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If there is an open source solution for safely reading and writing an NTFS volume, I would say a kernel driver for linux is not very far away anymore.
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| Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 6:47 pm Post subject: |
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| irondog wrote: | | If there is an open source solution for safely reading and writing an NTFS volume, I would say a kernel driver for linux is not very far away anymore. |
However in this case it's quite far away, because the driver uses methods that are not allowed in the linux kernel. Furthermore the driver must be compatible with other platforms... So it's quite a long way to go I think. I'm wondering which driver from the guys will "win" in the end
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| Quote: | | However in this case it's quite far away, because the driver uses methods that are not allowed in the linux kernel. |
Are you talking about recursion? This is 'forbidden by Linus'. It's not that a kernel is technically unable to use recursion.
| Quote: | | Furthermore the driver must be compatible with other platforms... So it's quite a long way to go I think. I'm wondering which driver from the guys will "win" in the end |
It's all about having information about the internals of the NTFS filesystem. If the information is available, writing a kernel driver is not a big deal. There are many experienced FS driver hackers around to implement a nice driver. The information is out there and the linux kernel is fexible enough to catch up. Once a kernel driver emerges, this fuse stuff will die soon, that's for sure.
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