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Jenova n00b

Joined: 15 Aug 2004 Posts: 13 Location: From, Ireland. Living in Tokyo.
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Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 3:47 am Post subject: New Laptop? |
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Hey haven't posted here in a while, anyways I'm no longer a usless student bum leeching from the state. I have managed to get myself a reasonalbley(dispite my poor spelling) well paying job post university.
I travel alot and I need a light powerfull laptop to take with me, I'v never bought a laptop before so I don't really know what the score is. I was looking at :
The Sony Vaio VGNSZ230P
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curtis119: fixed really long url
Intel core duo, around 13' screen, 1 gig RAM and decent graphics card(ie. not onboard memory sharing intel pieces of crap) are necessities. Are there any other options?
Thanks in advance!
Jenova _________________ Kryten- A pub - ahh yes. A meeting place where people attempt to achieve advanced states of mental incompetence, by the repeated consumption of fermented vegetable drinks. |
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krolden Apprentice


Joined: 28 May 2004 Posts: 293 Location: Belgium
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Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 9:47 am Post subject: |
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Vaio's are rather tricky when it comes to installing Linux. So you might want to stay away from those.
Personally I have my eye set on a hp pavillion dv8000t. |
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Phenax l33t


Joined: 10 Mar 2006 Posts: 972
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Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 10:11 am Post subject: |
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| I installed Linux with no trouble on a Vaio, don't know the model. I heard they have tricky ACPI and often Linux won't support it. Though, it worked fine for me!! |
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zenlunatic Guru

Joined: 09 Apr 2003 Posts: 312
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Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 11:43 am Post subject: |
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| I hate sony with a passion. The original playstation broke for me and several friends/family members. My $600 sony stereo caught on fire, and my $200 sony SW radio broke. I've had nothing but bad experiences with Sony. |
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Naib Advocate


Joined: 21 May 2004 Posts: 3927 Location: UK - Birmingham
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Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 11:45 am Post subject: |
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ahh the truth behind yr proprietory-format hatred and yr extreme GNU-zealotism finally comes out, yr childhood was scarred
Time to see a shrink and get it out, crying is good. _________________ A free press is the unsleeping guardian of every other right that free men prize; it is the most dangerous foe of tyranny. Where men have the habit of liberty, the Press will continue to be the vigilant guardian of the rights of the ordinary citizen. |
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djpharoah Apprentice


Joined: 24 Nov 2004 Posts: 186 Location: Irvine, California USA
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Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 12:13 pm Post subject: |
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If your going to be spending enough to get a VAIO why not spend the same or a bit more to get an IBM Thinkpad??
These machines have amazing support in linux with almost all their hardware working. |
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Doikor Tux's lil' helper

Joined: 15 Dec 2003 Posts: 83 Location: Finland, Jyväskylä
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Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 12:19 pm Post subject: |
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| djpharoah wrote: | If your going to be spending enough to get a VAIO why not spend the same or a bit more to get an IBM Thinkpad??
These machines have amazing support in linux with almost all their hardware working. |
Yes i recommend getting a thinkpad too. They are made to last. |
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xushi Tux's lil' helper

Joined: 09 Aug 2005 Posts: 108
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Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 1:04 pm Post subject: |
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I own a Sony Vaio VGN-S460 and Installing gentoo couldn't have been easier on it... Almost everything works flawlessly out of the box. 3D accelleration works well. I can play any/all games including Doom3 on lower graphics. (Except halflife 2.. it runs, but i have a weird font problem. But seing as i'm busy with studies, i didn't bother).
The laptop itself is lightweight, i carried to and fro my house and uni for my MSc degree, and it was the perfect laptop for me.
Compiling is nice and fast. OOo2 in 6 hours, gcc and -e world/system in 2 days. And the newer models come with centrino duo
Furthermore, there's a gentoo wiki dedicated for it, which i contributed to as well.
http://gentoo-wiki.com/HARDWARE_Sony_VGN-S4
If you want quality, go Sony.
| Code: | localhost ~ # uname -a
Linux localhost 2.6.17-ck1 #1 Fri Jun 23 19:40:20 BST 2006 i686 Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1.73GHz GNU/Linux
localhost ~ # |
| Code: | localhost ~ # lspci
00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Mobile 915GM/PM/GMS/910GML Express Processor to DRAM Controller (rev 03)
00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation Mobile 915GM/PM Express PCI Express Root Port (rev 03)
00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 03)
00:1d.0 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) USB UHCI #1 (rev 03)
00:1d.1 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) USB UHCI #2 (rev 03)
00:1d.2 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) USB UHCI #3 (rev 03)
00:1d.3 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) USB UHCI #4 (rev 03)
00:1d.7 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) USB2 EHCI Controller (rev 03)
00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801 Mobile PCI Bridge (rev d3)
00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation 82801FBM (ICH6M) LPC Interface Bridge (rev 03)
00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) IDE Controller (rev 03)
00:1f.2 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801FBM (ICH6M) SATA Controller (rev 03)
00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) SMBus Controller (rev 03)
01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation GeForce Go 6200 TurboCache (rev a1)
06:05.0 CardBus bridge: Texas Instruments PCI7420 CardBus Controller
06:05.2 FireWire (IEEE 1394): Texas Instruments PCI7x20 1394a-2000 OHCI Two-Port PHY/Link-Layer Controller
06:05.3 Mass storage controller: <pci_lookup_name: buffer too small>
06:08.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82562ET/EZ/GT/GZ - PRO/100 VE (LOM) Ethernet Controller Mobile (rev 03)
06:0b.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 2200BG Network Connection (rev 05)
localhost ~ # |
| Code: | localhost ~ # lsmod
Module Size Used by
sonypi 16044 3
snd_pcm_oss 31136 0
snd_mixer_oss 13440 1 snd_pcm_oss
snd_usb_audio 63840 0
snd_usb_lib 11776 1 snd_usb_audio
snd_rawmidi 16288 1 snd_usb_lib
snd_hwdep 6148 1 snd_usb_audio
ipw2200 91332 0
ieee80211 25288 1 ipw2200
ieee80211_crypt 4480 1 ieee80211
ohci1394 26032 0
nvidia 4542804 12
i2c_i801 7052 0
ehci_hcd 22024 0
snd_hda_intel 12564 1
snd_hda_codec 123008 1 snd_hda_intel
snd_pcm 61448 4 snd_pcm_oss,snd_usb_audio,snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec
snd_timer 15748 1 snd_pcm
snd_page_alloc 7048 2 snd_hda_intel,snd_pcm
intel_agp 17948 1
agpgart 23004 2 nvidia,intel_agp
localhost ~ # |
| Code: | localhost ~ # cat /etc/make.conf
# These settings were set by the catalyst build script that automatically built this stage
# Please consult /etc/make.conf.example for a more detailed example
CFLAGS="-Os -march=pentium-m -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer -ftracer -fweb"
CHOST="i686-pc-linux-gnu"
CXXFLAGS="${CFLAGS}"
MAKEOPTS="-j2"
USE="a52 aac acpi amarok apache2 asf atk bash-completion bidi bindist
browserplugin bzlib cddb cdinstall cdparanoia cjk clamav clamd cpdflib
cpudetection css dba dcc divx divx4linux dv dvd dvdr dvdread effects
epson extras firefox flac flash freetype gd-external gimp gimpprint hal
ieee1394 ifp infopipe inkjar jabber kdeenablefinal kdepim lame live
lm_sensors mmap mmx mpc mpeg2 mpeg4 mplayer musicbrainz nagios-dns
nagios-game nagios-ntp nagios-ping nagios-ssh nptl nsplugin nvidia oscar
plugin pmu posix ppds print pthreads qt4 rar real sox sse sse2 t1lib
theora threads type1 unicode utf8 v4l v4l2 vcd vidix visualization wifi
win32codecs wma wmv wxgtk1 xprint xvid xvmc -arts -eds -emboss -fortran
-gnome -gtk -oss -xmms"
SANE_BACKENDS="epkowa"
GENTOO_MIRRORS="http://ftp.belnet.be/mirror/rsync.gentoo.org/gentoo/"
#FEATURES="-strict"
LINGUAS="ar de en_GB he et"
SYNC="rsync://rsync.europe.gentoo.org/gentoo-portage"
PORTDIR_OVERLAY="/usr/local/portage"
ALSA_CARDS="intel8x0 usb-audio"
FEATURES="ccache"
localhost ~ # |
| Code: | localhost ~ # cat /proc/cpuinfo
processor : 0
vendor_id : GenuineIntel
cpu family : 6
model : 13
model name : Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1.73GHz
stepping : 8
cpu MHz : 1733.000
cache size : 2048 KB
fdiv_bug : no
hlt_bug : no
f00f_bug : no
coma_bug : no
fpu : yes
fpu_exception : yes
cpuid level : 2
wp : yes
flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss tm pbe nx up est tm2
bogomips : 3461.57
localhost ~ # |
| Code: | localhost ~ # cat /proc/scsi/scsi
Attached devices:
Host: scsi0 Channel: 00 Id: 00 Lun: 00
Vendor: ATA Model: FUJITSU MHT2080B Rev: 4000
Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 05
localhost ~ # |
Hope this helps. |
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tchak Tux's lil' helper


Joined: 19 Aug 2003 Posts: 124 Location: France/Russia
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Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 1:49 pm Post subject: |
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http://www.apple.com/macbookpro/
 _________________ maybe this world is another planet's hell...
Athlon64 | ATI Mobility Radeon 9700 | Netgear (Prism54) + ASUS (USB2 ZD1211) |
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Valkura Apprentice


Joined: 27 Feb 2006 Posts: 242 Location: Ramsey, MN
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Jenova n00b

Joined: 15 Aug 2004 Posts: 13 Location: From, Ireland. Living in Tokyo.
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Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 2:55 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks Guys.
The Pavillion would be overkill for my needs. I'm interested in the Thinkpads, the T60p in particular. They are slightly more expensive than their Sony alternatives more they are better spec'd and around the same weight, does anyone have any experiance with them? What's the battery life like with the 9 cell battery? I can't seem to find the resolution of the 14'' screen anywhere on the site.
Cheers,
Jenova _________________ Kryten- A pub - ahh yes. A meeting place where people attempt to achieve advanced states of mental incompetence, by the repeated consumption of fermented vegetable drinks. |
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ppurka Advocate

Joined: 26 Dec 2004 Posts: 3045
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Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 7:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Jenova wrote: | Thanks Guys.
The Pavillion would be overkill for my needs. I'm interested in the Thinkpads, the T60p in particular. They are slightly more expensive than their Sony alternatives more they are better spec'd and around the same weight, does anyone have any experiance with them? What's the battery life like with the 9 cell battery? I can't seem to find the resolution of the 14'' screen anywhere on the site.
Cheers,
Jenova | What about this thinkpad, which has a $1750 discount  |
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drizek n00b


Joined: 26 Jan 2006 Posts: 32 Location: Believe in America
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Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 7:41 pm Post subject: |
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| dont worry about integrated graphics, its actually better for linux cause the intel drivers work out of hte box and they dont use up any system ram unless youre actually gaming on it. |
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jamiethehutt n00b


Joined: 04 Oct 2004 Posts: 66 Location: Scotland!
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Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 1:18 pm Post subject: |
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| tchak wrote: | http://www.apple.com/macbookpro/
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1 It's horrendously expensive.
2 It's got an ATI card.
3 512Mb RAM on a £1400 laptop?!?!
4 80Gb disk on a £1400 laptop?! New laptops have 160Gb.
5 WTF runs on "Express Card"? I'll stick with PCMCIA.
6 Only 2 USB ports.
7 DVI external video, so you need an adaptor for 95% of screens.
8 You could get 95% of the performance from a laptop half the price.
I just can never bring myself to like Apple computers. (I love my iPod Nano though ) _________________ "Someday, he thought, it'll be mandatory that we all sell the McDonald's hamburger as well as buy it; we'll sell it back and forth to each other forever from our living rooms. That way we won't even have to go outside." - A Scanner Darkly By PK Dick |
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justwantstohelp Apprentice


Joined: 29 Jun 2006 Posts: 251 Location: Sacramento, California
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Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 1:29 pm Post subject: |
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| jamiethehutt wrote: | | tchak wrote: | http://www.apple.com/macbookpro/
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1 It's horrendously expensive.
2 It's got an ATI card.
3 512Mb RAM on a £1400 laptop?!?!
4 80Gb disk on a £1400 laptop?! New laptops have 160Gb.
5 WTF runs on "Express Card"? I'll stick with PCMCIA.
6 Only 2 USB ports.
7 DVI external video, so you need an adaptor for 95% of screens.
8 You could get 95% of the performance from a laptop half the price.
I just can never bring myself to like Apple computers. (I love my iPod Nano though ) |
1. yes. get the macbook instead.
2. that's a very good thing
6. it has three
I also have an nano, and love it. |
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Shucklak Tux's lil' helper


Joined: 09 Feb 2006 Posts: 96 Location: New York
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Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 1:42 pm Post subject: |
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Unless you're interested in OS X there is really no need for a Mac. The hardware specs on any Macbook or Macbook Pro can be matched and beat for a lower price by almost any other manufacturer.
I'd suggest a Lenovo laptop. They are very fair priced and the quality is amazing. Anyone who owns an IBM laptop will tell you the same thing.
As for Sony, also good quality but a bit overpriced. And Dell, well, cheap. Very cheap, and terrible support.
Good Luck. _________________ http://www.emergelife.com |
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jamiethehutt n00b


Joined: 04 Oct 2004 Posts: 66 Location: Scotland!
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Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2006 1:57 pm Post subject: |
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| justwantstohelp wrote: |
1. yes. get the macbook instead.
2. that's a very good thing
6. it has three
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The Macbook has on board Intel graphics so no gaming there. An ATI card is a bad thing if you want to put linux on the laptop. Three USB ports is still pretty crap and thats only on the 17" version (I think thats too big for a laptop, but whatever) wich costs £1900, at that price I could get a 15" gaming laptop and a gaming desktop and still have cash left over.
 _________________ "Someday, he thought, it'll be mandatory that we all sell the McDonald's hamburger as well as buy it; we'll sell it back and forth to each other forever from our living rooms. That way we won't even have to go outside." - A Scanner Darkly By PK Dick |
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justwantstohelp Apprentice


Joined: 29 Jun 2006 Posts: 251 Location: Sacramento, California
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Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 3:09 pm Post subject: |
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| jamiethehutt wrote: | | justwantstohelp wrote: |
1. yes. get the macbook instead.
2. that's a very good thing
6. it has three
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The Macbook has on board Intel graphics so no gaming there. An ATI card is a bad thing if you want to put linux on the laptop. Three USB ports is still pretty crap and thats only on the 17" version (I think thats too big for a laptop, but whatever) wich costs £1900, at that price I could get a 15" gaming laptop and a gaming desktop and still have cash left over.
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ATI si great if you want to use open source drivers... but you're right, who would want that? As for Apple hardware being to expensive, I completely agree, with the exception of the low end macbook. *hugs macbook* |
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Hadriel Tux's lil' helper

Joined: 28 Jul 2005 Posts: 75
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Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 4:34 pm Post subject: |
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i've got a sony as well (fe21h). installing gentoo was very easy. speedstep works, cardreader works, bluetooth works (finally...), wlan works. pcmcia isn't tested yet and the camera doesn't work.
the quality is very good, no shaky parts which seem to break off any second.
i must say, it was worth the money (1300). |
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Valkura Apprentice


Joined: 27 Feb 2006 Posts: 242 Location: Ramsey, MN
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Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 9:25 pm Post subject: |
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| jamiethehutt wrote: | | tchak wrote: | http://www.apple.com/macbookpro/
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6 Only 2 USB ports.
| Firewire ftw
Too bad they don't have 800 anymore... (/me hugs his Powerbook) _________________ last.fm
SFH, because it's awesome |
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