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PostPosted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 3:47 am    Post subject: New Laptop? Reply with quote

Hey haven't posted here in a while, anyways I'm no longer a usless student bum leeching from the state. I have managed to get myself a reasonalbley(dispite my poor spelling) well paying job post university.

I travel alot and I need a light powerfull laptop to take with me, I'v never bought a laptop before so I don't really know what the score is. I was looking at :

The Sony Vaio VGNSZ230P

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Intel core duo, around 13' screen, 1 gig RAM and decent graphics card(ie. not onboard memory sharing intel pieces of crap) are necessities. Are there any other options?

Thanks in advance!
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 9:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vaio's are rather tricky when it comes to installing Linux. So you might want to stay away from those.

Personally I have my eye set on a hp pavillion dv8000t.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 10:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I installed Linux with no trouble on a Vaio, don't know the model. I heard they have tricky ACPI and often Linux won't support it. Though, it worked fine for me!!
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 11:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hate sony with a passion. The original playstation broke for me and several friends/family members. My $600 sony stereo caught on fire, and my $200 sony SW radio broke. I've had nothing but bad experiences with Sony.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 11:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ahh the truth behind yr proprietory-format hatred and yr extreme GNU-zealotism finally comes out, yr childhood was scarred
Time to see a shrink and get it out, crying is good.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 12:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If your going to be spending enough to get a VAIO why not spend the same or a bit more to get an IBM Thinkpad??

These machines have amazing support in linux with almost all their hardware working.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 12:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

djpharoah wrote:
If your going to be spending enough to get a VAIO why not spend the same or a bit more to get an IBM Thinkpad??

These machines have amazing support in linux with almost all their hardware working.


Yes i recommend getting a thinkpad too. They are made to last.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 1:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I own a Sony Vaio VGN-S460 and Installing gentoo couldn't have been easier on it... Almost everything works flawlessly out of the box. 3D accelleration works well. I can play any/all games including Doom3 on lower graphics. (Except halflife 2.. it runs, but i have a weird font problem. But seing as i'm busy with studies, i didn't bother).

The laptop itself is lightweight, i carried to and fro my house and uni for my MSc degree, and it was the perfect laptop for me.

Compiling is nice and fast. OOo2 in 6 hours, gcc and -e world/system in 2 days. And the newer models come with centrino duo

Furthermore, there's a gentoo wiki dedicated for it, which i contributed to as well.
http://gentoo-wiki.com/HARDWARE_Sony_VGN-S4

If you want quality, go Sony.

Code:
localhost ~ # uname -a
Linux localhost 2.6.17-ck1 #1 Fri Jun 23 19:40:20 BST 2006 i686 Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1.73GHz GNU/Linux
localhost ~ #


Code:
localhost ~ # lspci
00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Mobile 915GM/PM/GMS/910GML Express Processor to DRAM Controller (rev 03)
00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation Mobile 915GM/PM Express PCI Express Root Port (rev 03)
00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 03)
00:1d.0 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) USB UHCI #1 (rev 03)
00:1d.1 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) USB UHCI #2 (rev 03)
00:1d.2 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) USB UHCI #3 (rev 03)
00:1d.3 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) USB UHCI #4 (rev 03)
00:1d.7 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) USB2 EHCI Controller (rev 03)
00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801 Mobile PCI Bridge (rev d3)
00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation 82801FBM (ICH6M) LPC Interface Bridge (rev 03)
00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) IDE Controller (rev 03)
00:1f.2 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801FBM (ICH6M) SATA Controller (rev 03)
00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) SMBus Controller (rev 03)
01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation GeForce Go 6200 TurboCache (rev a1)
06:05.0 CardBus bridge: Texas Instruments PCI7420 CardBus Controller
06:05.2 FireWire (IEEE 1394): Texas Instruments PCI7x20 1394a-2000 OHCI Two-Port PHY/Link-Layer Controller
06:05.3 Mass storage controller: <pci_lookup_name: buffer too small>
06:08.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82562ET/EZ/GT/GZ - PRO/100 VE (LOM) Ethernet Controller Mobile (rev 03)
06:0b.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 2200BG Network Connection (rev 05)
localhost ~ #


Code:
localhost ~ # lsmod
Module                  Size  Used by
sonypi                 16044  3
snd_pcm_oss            31136  0
snd_mixer_oss          13440  1 snd_pcm_oss
snd_usb_audio          63840  0
snd_usb_lib            11776  1 snd_usb_audio
snd_rawmidi            16288  1 snd_usb_lib
snd_hwdep               6148  1 snd_usb_audio
ipw2200                91332  0
ieee80211              25288  1 ipw2200
ieee80211_crypt         4480  1 ieee80211
ohci1394               26032  0
nvidia               4542804  12
i2c_i801                7052  0
ehci_hcd               22024  0
snd_hda_intel          12564  1
snd_hda_codec         123008  1 snd_hda_intel
snd_pcm                61448  4 snd_pcm_oss,snd_usb_audio,snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec
snd_timer              15748  1 snd_pcm
snd_page_alloc          7048  2 snd_hda_intel,snd_pcm
intel_agp              17948  1
agpgart                23004  2 nvidia,intel_agp
localhost ~ #


Code:
localhost ~ # cat /etc/make.conf
# These settings were set by the catalyst build script that automatically built this stage
# Please consult /etc/make.conf.example for a more detailed example

CFLAGS="-Os -march=pentium-m -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer -ftracer -fweb"
CHOST="i686-pc-linux-gnu"
CXXFLAGS="${CFLAGS}"
MAKEOPTS="-j2"
USE="a52 aac acpi amarok apache2 asf atk bash-completion bidi bindist
     browserplugin bzlib cddb cdinstall cdparanoia cjk clamav clamd cpdflib
     cpudetection css dba dcc divx divx4linux dv dvd dvdr dvdread effects
     epson extras firefox flac flash freetype gd-external gimp gimpprint hal
     ieee1394 ifp infopipe inkjar jabber kdeenablefinal kdepim lame live
     lm_sensors mmap mmx mpc mpeg2 mpeg4 mplayer musicbrainz nagios-dns
     nagios-game nagios-ntp nagios-ping nagios-ssh nptl nsplugin nvidia oscar
     plugin pmu posix ppds print pthreads qt4 rar real sox sse sse2 t1lib
     theora threads type1 unicode utf8 v4l v4l2 vcd vidix visualization wifi
     win32codecs wma wmv wxgtk1 xprint xvid xvmc -arts -eds -emboss -fortran
     -gnome -gtk -oss -xmms"

SANE_BACKENDS="epkowa"
GENTOO_MIRRORS="http://ftp.belnet.be/mirror/rsync.gentoo.org/gentoo/"

#FEATURES="-strict"

LINGUAS="ar de en_GB he et"

SYNC="rsync://rsync.europe.gentoo.org/gentoo-portage"

PORTDIR_OVERLAY="/usr/local/portage"

ALSA_CARDS="intel8x0 usb-audio"

FEATURES="ccache"
localhost ~ #


Code:
localhost ~ # cat /proc/cpuinfo
processor       : 0
vendor_id       : GenuineIntel
cpu family      : 6
model           : 13
model name      : Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1.73GHz
stepping        : 8
cpu MHz         : 1733.000
cache size      : 2048 KB
fdiv_bug        : no
hlt_bug         : no
f00f_bug        : no
coma_bug        : no
fpu             : yes
fpu_exception   : yes
cpuid level     : 2
wp              : yes
flags           : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss tm pbe nx up est tm2
bogomips        : 3461.57

localhost ~ #

Code:
localhost ~ # cat /proc/scsi/scsi
Attached devices:
Host: scsi0 Channel: 00 Id: 00 Lun: 00
  Vendor: ATA      Model: FUJITSU MHT2080B Rev: 4000
  Type:   Direct-Access                    ANSI SCSI revision: 05
localhost ~ #


Hope this helps.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 1:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.apple.com/macbookpro/

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 2:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tchak wrote:
http://www.apple.com/macbookpro/

:D
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 2:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Guys.

The Pavillion would be overkill for my needs. I'm interested in the Thinkpads, the T60p in particular. They are slightly more expensive than their Sony alternatives more they are better spec'd and around the same weight, does anyone have any experiance with them? What's the battery life like with the 9 cell battery? I can't seem to find the resolution of the 14'' screen anywhere on the site.

Cheers,
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 7:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jenova wrote:
Thanks Guys.

The Pavillion would be overkill for my needs. I'm interested in the Thinkpads, the T60p in particular. They are slightly more expensive than their Sony alternatives more they are better spec'd and around the same weight, does anyone have any experiance with them? What's the battery life like with the 9 cell battery? I can't seem to find the resolution of the 14'' screen anywhere on the site.

Cheers,
Jenova
What about this thinkpad, which has a $1750 discount :wink:
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 7:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dont worry about integrated graphics, its actually better for linux cause the intel drivers work out of hte box and they dont use up any system ram unless youre actually gaming on it.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 1:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tchak wrote:
http://www.apple.com/macbookpro/

:D


1 It's horrendously expensive.
2 It's got an ATI card.
3 512Mb RAM on a £1400 laptop?!?!
4 80Gb disk on a £1400 laptop?! New laptops have 160Gb.
5 WTF runs on "Express Card"? I'll stick with PCMCIA.
6 Only 2 USB ports.
7 DVI external video, so you need an adaptor for 95% of screens.
8 You could get 95% of the performance from a laptop half the price.

I just can never bring myself to like Apple computers. (I love my iPod Nano though :D )
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 1:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jamiethehutt wrote:
tchak wrote:
http://www.apple.com/macbookpro/

:D


1 It's horrendously expensive.
2 It's got an ATI card.
3 512Mb RAM on a £1400 laptop?!?!
4 80Gb disk on a £1400 laptop?! New laptops have 160Gb.
5 WTF runs on "Express Card"? I'll stick with PCMCIA.
6 Only 2 USB ports.
7 DVI external video, so you need an adaptor for 95% of screens.
8 You could get 95% of the performance from a laptop half the price.

I just can never bring myself to like Apple computers. (I love my iPod Nano though :D )

1. yes. get the macbook instead.
2. that's a very good thing
6. it has three

I also have an nano, and love it.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 1:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unless you're interested in OS X there is really no need for a Mac. The hardware specs on any Macbook or Macbook Pro can be matched and beat for a lower price by almost any other manufacturer.
I'd suggest a Lenovo laptop. They are very fair priced and the quality is amazing. Anyone who owns an IBM laptop will tell you the same thing.
As for Sony, also good quality but a bit overpriced. And Dell, well, cheap. Very cheap, and terrible support.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 30, 2006 1:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

justwantstohelp wrote:

1. yes. get the macbook instead.
2. that's a very good thing
6. it has three


The Macbook has on board Intel graphics so no gaming there. An ATI card is a bad thing if you want to put linux on the laptop. Three USB ports is still pretty crap and thats only on the 17" version (I think thats too big for a laptop, but whatever) wich costs £1900, at that price I could get a 15" gaming laptop and a gaming desktop and still have cash left over.

:wink:
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 3:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jamiethehutt wrote:
justwantstohelp wrote:

1. yes. get the macbook instead.
2. that's a very good thing
6. it has three


The Macbook has on board Intel graphics so no gaming there. An ATI card is a bad thing if you want to put linux on the laptop. Three USB ports is still pretty crap and thats only on the 17" version (I think thats too big for a laptop, but whatever) wich costs £1900, at that price I could get a 15" gaming laptop and a gaming desktop and still have cash left over.

:wink:

ATI si great if you want to use open source drivers... but you're right, who would want that? As for Apple hardware being to expensive, I completely agree, with the exception of the low end macbook. *hugs macbook*
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 4:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i've got a sony as well (fe21h). installing gentoo was very easy. speedstep works, cardreader works, bluetooth works (finally...), wlan works. pcmcia isn't tested yet and the camera doesn't work.
the quality is very good, no shaky parts which seem to break off any second.
i must say, it was worth the money (1300€).
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 9:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jamiethehutt wrote:
tchak wrote:
http://www.apple.com/macbookpro/

:D

6 Only 2 USB ports.
Firewire ftw :D

Too bad they don't have 800 anymore... (/me hugs his Powerbook)
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