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alien Tux's lil' helper
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Q-collective Advocate
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Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2005 1:05 pm Post subject: |
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The avatar?
The location?
The number of posts?
His website?
What? |
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Voltago Advocate
Joined: 02 Sep 2003 Posts: 2593 Location: userland
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Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2005 1:31 pm Post subject: |
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Given his avatar (guy in SS uniform), his location ("where whites aren't the minority yet") and his homepage (http://www.thepaganfront.com/, "The Pagan Front - National Socialist Black Metal"), this guy is obviously a nazi. While the mods can kick him out for all I care, I'm not aware of a specific forum policy against nazis. Well, perhaps it's time we get one, something along the lines of 'Racist utterance -> ban'
Alien, could you please change the thread's title to 'What to do about nazis in the forums' or something like that? Thanks. |
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Headrush Watchman
Joined: 06 Nov 2003 Posts: 5597 Location: Bizarro World
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Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2005 2:11 pm Post subject: |
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Let him try posting questions, but I reserve the right to not help when I see things like "where whites aren't the minority yet" |
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rev138 l33t
Joined: 19 Jun 2003 Posts: 848 Location: Vermont, USA
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Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2005 2:22 pm Post subject: |
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As sad and pathetic as I find Nazism to be, I see no reason why someone should be banned from this forum just for being a bigot. One's views on race shouldn't have much bearing when discussing Gentoo.
If he starts going off on a racist tirade against another user, that's a different matter -- but no different, to my mind, than if he started going off on a non-racist tirade against another user. As long as everyone is civil and helpful, it shouldn't matter what their political view are. |
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pjp Administrator
Joined: 16 Apr 2002 Posts: 20067
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Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2005 5:19 pm Post subject: Re: Do you find it ok? |
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alien wrote: | https://forums.gentoo.org/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=114146 | Here is my reply to someone who mailed forum-mods about this: pjp wrote: | First, the world is full of differing opinions and ideas. The forums
are no different, provided that the guidelines are followed.
As for the avatar, there is nothing illegal about it in the US. For
those that find it offensive, or where it may be illegal in their
country, user profiles now allow for disabling the display of avatars.
The location does not break any forum rules that I can think of, nor
does his current signature. Neither do I see any forum rules being
broken with regards to the PM and his posts in the link you provided.
If you feel that one has been, please let us know, and we will
consider it.
I'm sorry that you disagree with some of this person's commentary, but
nobody agrees with everyone they meet, nor everything they encounter.
Gentoo doesn't "endorse" any commentary (avatar's, sigs, post content)
of any forums user.
Please let me know if you have any further questions.
--pjp |
_________________ Quis separabit? Quo animo? |
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Coltie Guru
Joined: 22 Apr 2005 Posts: 305 Location: N 46° 7' 26.7" E 7° 6' 11.2"
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Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2005 11:44 am Post subject: gentoo forum & politic |
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mod edit: merged this and the following posts.
amne
hi!
One question: Does the gentoo-forums (or gentoo at all) should accept ANY political ideas in the forums?
One reason: I founded someone who was on put an link to an extreme-right political website. As I read the gentoo social contract long time ago, I think I remember that there should be something like "constructive" and nothing "destructive" in these forums. So, could we/you accept that?
Because I don't know your opinion, and because I still respect the guy who put "this" on the forum, I won't put the link here, til noone ask for. Even if I'm deeply shocked from this ideas/link.
So what should I do? Accused him? Or let him do what he is doing? _________________ Unreleased Kollektiv
"If by noise you mean uncomfortable sound, then pop music is noise to me."
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pilla Bodhisattva
Joined: 07 Aug 2002 Posts: 7729 Location: Underworld
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Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2005 12:57 pm Post subject: Re: gentoo forum & politic |
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We are usually very broad minded when it comes to politics. It would be unnaceptable if it had some kind of prejudice like racism though. _________________ "I'm just very selective about the reality I choose to accept." -- Calvin |
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amne Bodhisattva
Joined: 17 Nov 2002 Posts: 6378 Location: Graz / EU
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Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2005 1:31 pm Post subject: |
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Are you by chance refering to Do you find it ok? _________________ Dinosaur week! (Ok, this thread is so last week) |
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Coltie Guru
Joined: 22 Apr 2005 Posts: 305 Location: N 46° 7' 26.7" E 7° 6' 11.2"
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Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2005 4:10 pm Post subject: |
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By chance, You were right!
I searched if there already something about it... I promised!
Sorry for cross posting... _________________ Unreleased Kollektiv
"If by noise you mean uncomfortable sound, then pop music is noise to me."
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amne Bodhisattva
Joined: 17 Nov 2002 Posts: 6378 Location: Graz / EU
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Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2005 4:50 pm Post subject: Re: gentoo forum & politic |
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Coltie wrote: | By chance, You were right!
I searched if there already something about it... I promised!
Sorry for cross posting... |
No problem, i merged the two threads.
rev138 wrote: | However, I'm still fairly certain that on that linear model, National Socialism falls to the left. |
There are some minor disputes, but the general opinion seems to be that nazism and fascism is considered to be classified as right, not left wing.
See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_wing#Far_Right and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Far_Right _________________ Dinosaur week! (Ok, this thread is so last week) |
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TheX Guru
Joined: 31 Jul 2004 Posts: 349 Location: .de
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Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2005 10:37 pm Post subject: |
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It may sound hard, but this piece of **** should be "banned" (unfortunately this can't be done) from this forum !!
To expose your personal opinion is no crime, but this forum should not be a place for nacism .
There should be a vote to kick him . which i will start now !
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Ateo Advocate
Joined: 02 Jun 2003 Posts: 2021 Location: Republic of California
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Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2005 11:35 pm Post subject: |
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I'm confused. What does his nazism have to do with gentoo and the gentoo forums, specifically? |
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TheX Guru
Joined: 31 Jul 2004 Posts: 349 Location: .de
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Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2005 11:36 pm Post subject: |
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codergeek42, as you said ;
Code: | If you see a post where he or any other user is misbehaving, please report it, and the moderation team will then decide on the appropriate action(s) to be taken against the user. |
but doesnt that include the link to a obviously racism website ?? |
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dgaffuri Advocate
Joined: 05 Jun 2005 Posts: 2078 Location: Italy
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Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2005 11:44 pm Post subject: |
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TheX wrote: | It may sound hard, but this piece of **** should be "banned" (unfortunately this can't be done) from this forum !!
To expose your personal opinion is no crime, but this forum should not be a place for nacism .
There should be a vote to kick him . which i will start now !
TheX |
You've my vote. I never mixed politics with these forums (I've my opinions of course), but racism should be banned. Idon't know how many of you are black or yellow or red or white or green (does the internet reach Mars already?), and I don't care. So let him stay "where whites aren't the minority yet", but out of this community.
Daniele _________________ Adopt an unanswered post
If you feel that your problem has been solved please edit the top post and add [solved] to the subject |
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cokey Advocate
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Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2005 11:47 pm Post subject: |
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dgaffuri wrote: | TheX wrote: | It may sound hard, but this piece of **** should be "banned" (unfortunately this can't be done) from this forum !!
To expose your personal opinion is no crime, but this forum should not be a place for nacism .
There should be a vote to kick him . which i will start now !
TheX | You've my vote. I never mixed politics with these forums (I've my opinions of course), but racism should be banned. Idon't know how many of you are black or yellow or red or white or green (does the internet reach Mars already?), and I don't care. So let him stay "where whites aren't the minority yet", but out of this community.
Daniele | what has he said that is racist? _________________ https://otw20.com/ OTW20 The new place for off the wall chat |
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atrus123 Guru
Joined: 06 Jul 2005 Posts: 339 Location: Annapolis, MD
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Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2005 11:50 pm Post subject: |
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Banning someone just because of their views is fascist.
If he starts going on with hate talk, ban him. But at present, his posts look pretty tame.
I will not be checking his website anytime soon.
J. _________________ "I cannot support a movement that exploded spending and borrowing and blames its successor for the debt."
-Andrew Sullivan |
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Amidasu n00b
Joined: 04 Dec 2005 Posts: 37 Location: Gießen, Germany
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Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2005 11:52 pm Post subject: |
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Just ignore him. Why make a fuss about it? There are lots of idiots on the internet, still you use it, don't you? As far he's not misusing the forums for his propaganda, I don't really see a problem. _________________ "Would you like to learn to fly? Would you like to see me try?" |
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TheX Guru
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Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2005 11:53 pm Post subject: |
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Hi cokehabit (I pray to you nick . .)
Take a look at his profile and the website he is pointing on.
The whole story about starting another thread was to see how many of our forum-friends would tolerate this kind of racism.
But my thread was closed , so the poll died. |
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dgaffuri Advocate
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codergeek42 Bodhisattva
Joined: 05 Apr 2004 Posts: 5142 Location: Anaheim, CA (USA)
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Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2005 11:56 pm Post subject: |
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TheX wrote: | codergeek42, as you said ;
Code: | If you see a post where he or any other user is misbehaving, please report it, and the moderation team will then decide on the appropriate action(s) to be taken against the user. |
but doesnt that include the link to a obviously racism website ?? | Well, a user is free to put whatever reasonable information he or she chooses in his or her profile. No one is obligated in any way to visit your site if you link to it from your signature or homepage in your profile.
However, I do not believe I am qualified enough to speak on behalf of the moderation team as a whole, so I will end my explanation as-is until such time as I've discussed it over with the rest of the moderators/admins. _________________ ~~ Peter: Programmer, Mathematician, STEM & Free Software Advocate, Enlightened Agent, Transhumanist, Fedora contributor
Who am I? :: EFF & FSF |
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loki99 Advocate
Joined: 10 Oct 2003 Posts: 2056 Location: Vienna, €urope
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Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 12:12 am Post subject: |
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I don't think he needs to be banned unless he tries to spread his BS, but asking him to change his avatar and to not link to a racist site (and the location) would be quite reasonable, IMHO!
It definatly does disturbe me to have someone in the community, who is making propaganda for his racist fews within these fora. And that is what he does by using this avatar and linking to this page!
As long as he he behaves I don't have a problem with him being around, but please let him delete his avatar and the link (and the location) he added to make clear that racism is not tolerated in this great community!
Edit: Forgot to mention his location.
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pitcrawler Apprentice
Joined: 09 Jan 2005 Posts: 155 Location: Oklahoma, USA
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Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 12:20 am Post subject: |
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I read some of his posts. All I saw were genuine Gentoo posts, not the OTW crap that a lot of us talk about. I thought witch hunts were a thing of the past... |
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loki99 Advocate
Joined: 10 Oct 2003 Posts: 2056 Location: Vienna, €urope
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Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 2:27 am Post subject: |
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What if someone with thousands of post, like cokehabit ie., would choose to use a clear nazi symbol as his avatar?
How would the moderators/site admins see the situation if a symbol like that appears in every other thread? What kind of impression would that give to someone new to these fora? Is this really not an issue to the Gentoo community?
I don't think I would have stayed with this fine OS if I found out that Nazi symbols and propaganda exists undisputed by the officals. This gives Gentoo a bad reputation, IMHO!
As far as I understand the admins of the Gentoo Forums are not bound whether something is illegal or not. If they/the community decides that such symbols, links and statements are not welcome, 1U simply would have to change his profile to something adequate or get the f*ck outa here! |
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knightmare n00b
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Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 2:50 am Post subject: |
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loki99 wrote: |
I don't think I would have stayed with this fine OS if I found out that Nazi symbols and propaganda exists undisputed by the officals. This gives Gentoo a bad reputation, IMHO!
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What would give them a far worse reputation would be a bunch of Overbearing, zealous, hardasses that do not allow you to express your own beliefs or opinions.
And if the only reason you use Gentoo, is because of the "people" in these forums, then there is somthing wrong. |
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