Ximian Support

bdunn · Posted: Tue Jun 18, 2002 12:12 pm Post subject: Ximian Support

I think everyone that would like to see Ximian Desktop for Gentoo should voice their opinion. I will take any and all comments here to the appropriate people at Ximian for evaluation.

mksoft · l33t Joined: 28 May 2002 Posts: 844

IMHO this kind of support undermines the goals of source based distros.

Why should we want binaries from them ?
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jay · l33t Joined: 08 May 2002 Posts: 980

Evolution is working fine in gentoo, what type of support do you mean? If filed several bugs with evolution and the staff were very friendly & helpful.

OT: Does anybod know how to get PGP or GNUPG working in evolution?
IMHO that's more important than a binary for gentoo.
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bidz · n00b Joined: 08 Jun 2002 Posts: 54 Location: Norway

who wants binary's? not me. and besides, GnuPG integration is perfect in KMail

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jay · l33t Joined: 08 May 2002 Posts: 980

Could one of the moderators move this topic into the "Desktop" group where it belongs?

I found the solutionfor PGP in the ximian mailing list:

Select "Tools" -> "Mail Settings" -> selct your account, then click on "Edit", click on the "security" tab and enter the hex code for your secring.ggp mailadress. From now on you are able to sign/encrypt your mails.

Another tip:
If you use evolution under fluxbox, start gnomecc, select "URL Handlers" and change the options default and ghelpto

pjp · Posted: Tue Jun 18, 2002 4:45 pm Post subject:

I'm not opposed to it, but I doubt Ximian will dedicate resources to it.
As people have mentioned, why use binaries for Gentoo?
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link · Posted: Tue Jun 18, 2002 7:28 pm Post subject:

Do they have to be binaries? Does Ximian have source that they don't want released? I kinda think some ebuild scripts would be cool for Ximian Gnome. like 'emerge gnome-ximian'. that'll download and build the Ximian Gnome sources. Just a thought. I dunno why everyone instantly assumed they'd be binary packages. Ximian Gnome is, after all, still Gnome.
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niyogi · Posted: Tue Jun 18, 2002 7:32 pm Post subject:

it makes absolutely no sense to run ximian on a platform like gentoo considering portage takes care of the dependencies anyway... the releases of new ebuilds also have faster turnaround times than with ximian

jay · l33t Joined: 08 May 2002 Posts: 980

Ximian uses a technology called "red carpet" to install applications in a similiar manner like rpms but takes some extra care on dependencies. If you like to have the desktop then emerging gnome does IMHO exactly the same thing. If somebody wants to submit an ebuild for ximian desktop, I won't be opposed to it. However this is not a job to be done by ximian.

Just my 2cents.
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ElCondor · Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2002 9:26 am Post subject:

well, "red carpet" takes care of depencies, but not always the best way, about a year ago it blew my redhat-installation .. evolution is great, but emerge is quite okay and I don't think gentoodianss are in urgend need of another package-management

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crevette · Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2002 6:09 am Post subject: No Binary, Only Source

The reason I went to Gentoo, is that I would like a distro that enables me to build only the soft I want.
Portage is a wonder/powerful tool in my point of view, because I can built from source all the appz I want.

The Ximian support is useless because, whe built our Gnome Desktop without problem (in the most of case) with a lot of optimizations.

I Think Packages could be only useful for low power box.

(I Just to add I tried Red Carpet on my RH7.2 distro, and there were dependencie conflicts between RH rpm and Ximian rpm. And sometimes, Red Carpet a lot of problems to update packages)
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actually, I think it would be a good addition, they have a slightly patched gnome setup, and could well go into their own category (gnome-ximian) and simply conflic with our normal gnome ebuilds, the support issues from their side would be to force red-carpet to download and untar that new category, and install the line into the categories field, unless we somehow gave them limited cvs access for their parts of the cvs tree..

It'd be a cool addition, but I'm not sure its really feasible for us to support it, and I think it will be a whole lot of work for them since we are a very fluid target, and that may well cause some breaks.

overall, I wasn't impressed with red-carpet when I ran RedHat, but on the other hand, I was doing packaging and distribution work then too, so I should probably expect it to break ;)
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dedeaux · Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2002 7:02 am Post subject: maybe

For those who use gentoo in the prebuilt form, this would be a welcomed addition. If you are a tweaker and have really enjoyed the make your own approach to gentoo then you won't even think about a ximian release.

Granted as the posts have stated, it might be cool if there was a way to have the ximain packages rolled into the portage tree and available to build for those who wanted to go in that direction. BUT... Why not simply roll the important fixes in the existing gnome packages and not worry about ximian.

lain iwakura · Apprentice Joined: 09 May 2002 Posts: 176 Location: sd, ca

frankly, i don't see the point. if it could run along side already installed "gentoo" libs then i would say um, ok, that's nice -- i would never use it. it's pointless, I think, for reasons already stated.
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crevette · Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2002 11:55 am Post subject: Why not Ximian Sources

I don't really what is the difference between Ximian-Gnome and Gnome sources (somebody could bring me info),
But is it possible to make ebuild from Ximian Sources???
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pjp · Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2002 10:46 pm Post subject: Re: Ximian Support

jay · l33t Joined: 08 May 2002 Posts: 980

I think the reason is, that the topic is not precise enough. If someone submits a ebuild for gnome-ximian, that's just fine, but what is exactly meant with support from ximian inc. ?
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pjp · Posted: Sat Jun 22, 2002 4:22 am Post subject:

Exactly. Short of getting their monkey logos, I don't see a major need. I used Ximian on Solaris because it meant
I didn't have to figure out how to manually compile Gnome. With Gnome ebuilds, that eliminates needing Ximian for me.
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lain iwakura · Apprentice Joined: 09 May 2002 Posts: 176 Location: sd, ca

(heheh, monkey logos! :lol:

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jay · l33t Joined: 08 May 2002 Posts: 980

Yep they're cool. You can get a glimpse of it by using the Orbit theme for mozilla :-)

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kraylus · l33t Joined: 07 Jun 2002 Posts: 648 Location: ft.worth.tx

honestly, i dont see the point in using ximian. the sole reason for ximians existence is for newbies who dont know how to install gnome from scratch. portage does the same exact thing. it installs gnome and all it's dependencies from scratch FOR you, the difference being that the sources are compiled for your machine when portage does it.

the only advantage to using ximian gnome would be pre-compiled binaries. which, as stated earlier in this thread, defeats the purpose of gentoo. if you want ximian gnome... go use redhat.

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klieber · Posted: Sat Jun 22, 2002 12:25 pm Post subject:

This is more of a suggestion-type issue, so I'm moving this to gentoo suggestions.

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BLASTER_ · Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2002 7:04 am Post subject:

Ximian patches the standard gnome source and changes afew things so.. like the way the kernel is patched in Gentoo possably a Ximian version could work in the same manner.. im not sure how hard it would be to include a USE=ximian flag.

err.. well there are afew prolbems. Gentoo uses Gnome 2 now almost entiraly.. and there is no knowen date when Ximian will move to Gnome 2. and when I tried to apply those patches to Gentoo's Gnome Source I ran into compile time errors, and I just dident have the skill to figure those out.

this is something ide like to see in Gentoo, even if the changes between versions are minor.. the overall smoothing that Ximian has done is IMOH well worth there effort. its also the reason many of my system still run Debian potato.

BLASTER_ · Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2002 7:12 am Post subject:

oh also i thought ide add that on Ximian's end this isent that hard eather.

they requier a packaging system that can check dependancies and install files. we have that. and making ebuild scripts for gentoo is prolby easier then supporting Lycoris' or SuSE's strange RPM's

If all Red-Carpet does is say.. "check depends.. ok those are good now run, rpm -Uvh gnome or apt-get install gnome" wonder if it could do ebuild gnome merge?