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PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2005 4:47 am    Post subject: Offensive words in usernames: policy? Reply with quote

Did a little search and found 8 forum users with "F***" as part of their usernames. One especially prominent user who's been posting in IG in recent days is "I f***ed up". Also, another 10 have "s***".

What is our policy with regards to the presence of offensive words in the username?
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2005 5:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think that "I f***ed up" is offensive because it means "I messed up".

Now I can see 3 situations for a person with crude language in his/her post:
1. The person is a troll. (This person will get banned anyway eventually.)
2. The person is asking for help. (If the person is not wise enough to not offend a potential helper, then he/she deserves what he/she gets.)
3. The person is helping out. (Just take the help and ignore the user.)

I personally think if it's not a personal attack (like an attack that can get you banned from OTW) against a person or group of people it shouldn't become a problem. I think the policy that applies to posting on these forums can be applied to usernames as well.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2005 7:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

funny. i found this thread while coming to this forum to report the same problem. i don't think that its in good taste for Gentoo to allow people to have usernames like "i-fucked-up". this guy needs a name change:

http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-325606.html
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2005 9:29 am    Post subject: Re: Offensive words in usernames: policy? Reply with quote

kimchi_sg wrote:
Did a little search and found 8 forum users with "F***" as part of their usernames. One especially prominent user who's been posting in IG in recent days is "I f***ed up". Also, another 10 have "s***".



So why were you searching for words like that ?
It is purely subjective anyway.

Rimming is offensive to me while it might be perfectly acceptable to someone else.
I would find "I_rim_on_request" very offensive.
Others may not care .

Did I mention that I find kimchi offensive :-)
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 20, 2005 9:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bob P wrote:
i don't think that its in good taste for Gentoo to allow people to have usernames like "i-fucked-up"


I find it offensive that you call people jackasses in your every message! I think it's also rude to advocate use of alcohol on public forum that might be viewed by minors 8O 8O 8O

Seriously, this kind of language is very common by sociolect around any general internet chat fora, so it can't even be considered very offensive anymore.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 1:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Flammie wrote:
Bob P wrote:
i don't think that its in good taste for Gentoo to allow people to have usernames like "i-fucked-up"


I find it offensive that you call people jackasses in your every message! I think it's also rude to advocate use of alcohol on public forum that might be viewed by minors 8O 8O 8O


As a matter of fact, The Jackass! Project was named after a south African species of penguin, Spheniscus demersus, whose common name is the "Jackass" penguin. This name was chosen by consensus among the developers, not unilaterally by me, and its use is not intended to insult anyone.

As far as advocating the use of alcohol is concerned, I'm not advocating it for anyone other than myself. :wink: I chose the "Buy Me Beer" idea in order to make a parody for the "linux should be free as in beer" crowd, who always expect to get something for nothing. To be honest, I had never considered that a statement like "Buy Me Beer" could be construed to be detrimental to minors. As far as the subject of child rearing is concerned, I think that the responsibility for protecting a child from adverse experiences on the internet (and the responsibility for child rearing in general) ultimately belongs to the parents of the minor, not to the state or to the internet community at large.

fwict i haven't violated any Gentoo Forum policies. even so, if you were being serious, i'm sorry if you've been offended.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 24, 2005 9:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How thin should our skins be?

This is always a difficult call, but there should be a wide 'gray zone' to include as many diverse people and cultures as possible.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2005 7:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fuck this shit.

People regularly abort processes (by killing them in a shocking variety of ways), reap their children, nuke filesystems, do quite a lot of bashing, burn innocent software and do much, much more gruesome things.

To be criticizing them for using "fuck" is to be a hypocrite.

Oh and by the way, the unixishly poltitically correct term for "fuck" is either mount/umount, rm -rf or mkfs. Use those if you want to avoid it.
There is no term for shit, but you can always substitute M$ (don't forget the $!) or win{dows,blows,slow,doof,...}, dependency-hell or RPM. Be creative!
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PostPosted: Mon May 23, 2005 8:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Username: Unacceptable for these forums.

http://forums.gentoo.org/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=58791
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PostPosted: Tue May 24, 2005 3:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think its no problem with those " I fucked up" or etc unless you saying " fuck you" or booing other peoples making personal attacks
if we start filter all this words we might accidently filter application names (such as bitchX, pornview etc with funny names :)
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PostPosted: Tue May 24, 2005 6:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

and also programming language called Brainfuck :D
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PostPosted: Tue May 24, 2005 2:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And a button called "Edit."
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PostPosted: Sun May 29, 2005 7:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maaan... what are you yelling at. What's the problem with having 'fuck' in a username?
-Will you die from it?
-Will you get very hot because of seeing 'fuck'? I hope not.
-Will we be better people when we ignore that there is a word 'fuck'? No some people will be better Cristians, Muslims, or some other religion/morality that does not like people to (say) 'fuck', but certainly not all people have such a religion.

Agreed, people saying everything is fucking are not much fun to live with... but f***/S***/... are getting widely used expressions, and we must democratically bear them.
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PostPosted: Sun May 29, 2005 10:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This thread would look great in OTW :wink:
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PostPosted: Sun May 29, 2005 11:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ohno please please please! It won't look serious anymore!
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PostPosted: Sun May 29, 2005 10:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LordMyth wrote:
Maaan... what are you yelling at. What's the problem with having 'fuck' in a username?
It could prevent some people from accessing the forums from work, or get them in trouble if they do. I'd personally like to see it removed for that reason.
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PostPosted: Sun May 29, 2005 10:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

These forums are meant to be a little more professional than its turned out to be....like pjp says....we should be at least safe for work. This is the face the Gentoo community presents to the world....while we don't necessarily have to be uptight and proper, there still is plenty of reason for cleaning up our act. If you were trying to get your boss to implement Gentoo at work, and you brought up the excellent support of the Gentoo Forums.....He logs in and sees what looks like a bunch of little children swearing at each other over their little hacker arguements. That's it for the 'professionality' of Gentoo.

Outside of that context, I really don't mind the profanity...it's not excessive, and it's not like there isn't profanity out in the world at large. It's just how you want to present the community to outside people.
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PostPosted: Tue May 31, 2005 8:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh... didn't think of any practical reasons for not using 'fuck'... :D
But to solve your problem, every word that has just something to do with sex will have to be banned. And I bet the word 'gay' will get banned too. Remember: if you do that, 'hetero' (at least if that's how it's called in English) should be removed to OK? If not I will get you to some human rights commission, I swear it!
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2005 3:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

LordMyth wrote:
Oh... didn't think of any practical reasons for not using 'fuck'... :D
But to solve your problem, every word that has just something to do with sex will have to be banned. And I bet the word 'gay' will get banned too. Remember: if you do that, 'hetero' (at least if that's how it's called in English) should be removed to OK? If not I will get you to some human rights commission, I swear it!

But then the next Gentoo LUG meeting in Bald Knob, Arkansas or Cunt, Spain won't be announced in Gentoo Chat! :cry:
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2005 7:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LordMyth wrote:
Oh... didn't think of any practical reasons for not using 'fuck'... :D
But to solve your problem, every word that has just something to do with sex will have to be banned. And I bet the word 'gay' will get banned too. Remember: if you do that, 'hetero' (at least if that's how it's called in English) should be removed to OK? If not I will get you to some human rights commission, I swear it!
Your probably not serious, but on the off chance that you are...

Usernames are bold, and not surrounded by much text... they stand out more than normal text words. The occaisional cussing in a support forum isn't likely to be a problem (in most places), whereas an obscene username could be (if a passerby happens to see it).
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 9:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

CitizenX wrote:
These forums are meant to be a little more professional than its turned out to be....like pjp says....we should be at least safe for work. This is the face the Gentoo community presents to the world....while we don't necessarily have to be uptight and proper, there still is plenty of reason for cleaning up our act. If you were trying to get your boss to implement Gentoo at work, and you brought up the excellent support of the Gentoo Forums.....He logs in and sees what looks like a bunch of little children swearing at each other over their little hacker arguements. That's it for the 'professionality' of Gentoo.

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How about a filter in the PHP code that makes "Brainf***" out of Brainfuck and changes " I fucked up" to " I f***ed up" ?

I propose a profanity filter for the forums because this forum should be safe for work!

A button in the user profile or in the topmenu would be great for such a option.

The only real problem I see is how to get the list of tokens that can get you in trouble at work as most likely every company that has a spytool that searches for such words uses a other list or the lists that came with the spytools.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 8:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't mean to bump this thread or anything, but I was doing a forum search on my BitchX emerge error and found this thread and I really felt compelled to reply. I see issues like this any and everywhere in the world today, people who get easily offended over the ever more common use of the "F" word or any other curse words in a sentence. Most of the people who bring it to others attentions such as in a workplace or in an online community like a forum or an irc channel are people who commonly use foul language themselves, but feel they need to somewhat tattle on the person to gain appeal from their bosses or in this case forum admins. Words can be interpreted differently by different people, but you must remember that 9 times out of 10 the person using the language uses it to not be offensive, but uses it as an emphasis on the frustration of the situation at hand. I strongly agree that people should abide by any and all rules, but taking the time to write frivilous forum posts just because you can't look away from whatever common language insults or offends you is a waste of time, just ignore it.


Forums have admins for a reason, they monitor accounts and i'm sure they are totally aware of which user registers with what explicit usernames. Instead of wasting time making posts like these you could be making one which actually helps someone instead of expressing how picky you are in what someone decides to call themselves online, justlet the admins handle it how they see fit and move on.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 4:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As long as it doesn't show hate to a person, group, or race I dont see any issue with it...
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 4:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Omega21 wrote:
As long as it doesn't show hate to a person, group, or race I dont see any issue with it...
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 5:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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As long as it doesn't show hate to a person, group, or race I dont see any issue with it...


I tend to agree. I abhor hate speech--defined as slander toward one's race, religion, ethnicity, or gender. I think nearly everything else goes. We live in the world and most people use those "seven dirty words" and more. I generally don't use them in my posts because I like a certain formality--but 4-letter, 5-letter, or 12-letter words doesn't bother me one bit. I have even smiled or chuckled at some of those usernames and posts.

As far as protecting minors: I'm pretty sure they when they come here they already know the language before they come here. I doubt they are actually reading anything new. We can't childproof the world and if we did the world would be a boring place.
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