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Sith_Happens
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| nightmorph wrote: | | Sith_Happens wrote: | | That's only true if the googlebot reads the pdf file and, and google caches and converts the pdf. Right now the Jackass! server has various measures in place that prevent Google from doing this kind of thing, for different reasons. |
Thank goodness for robots.txt files!  I use 'em on my site. They're so handy, especially for preventing Google's hated page caching. |
If you don't want them to cache your page, you can also use the NOARCHIVE option in your robots metatag. The Googlebot actually reads those apparently. 
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Bob P
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| Posted: Thu May 26, 2005 4:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Iron_DragonLord wrote: | | Sorry if this was psoted before, but large posts and words scare me and I admit I didn't read through this whole topic (yet). |
well, having already posted the answer to your question, i would prefer that you read what i've already typed rather than asking me to type it all over again.
i think that most forum members would prefer that people looking for information that is already posted in the thread would actually read what's in the thread, instead of asking for duplicate copies of the same information to be reposted to the thread. as you can imagine, if someone doesn't bother to read the thread, and just asks for a re-post, their own desire to be spoon fed the information ends up bloating the thread with redundant copies of the same information. this doesn't help anyone, and it makes the forums inefficient as information repositories.
at the time that you posted this thread was only 4 pages long. it should only take you as many minutes to find what you're looking for if you were to use the text search feature of your browser. 
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Slalomsk8er
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| Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2005 5:19 pm Post subject: |
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How long will it take till the 2005.1 verson will be on the server?
How about adding this to the official gentoo page besides GRP maybe as OTC (Optimized Tool Chain)?
| Quote: | | Unfortunately, asking one person to donate a server and all of the bandwidth that's required to exclusively host the ISO files just isn't fair, and this type of situation cannot last. Ultimately, if this problem persists we might have to move the ISOs off of the high bandwidth mirrors which would make acquiring the files difficult for everyone. Please help if you can. |
Wasn't BitTorrent invented to conquer this problem? I would love to help with seeding the files as I have no other option to support this project. |
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Bob P
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| Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2005 8:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Slalomsk8er wrote: | How long will it take till the 2005.1 verson will be on the server?
How about adding this to the official gentoo page besides GRP maybe as OTC (Optimized Tool Chain)? |
you know, i think that it would solve alot of our hosting problems if Jackass! was put onto the Gentoo mirrors, but AFAIK there has never been an unofficial project that has been granted such distinction. essentially, private projects have to be privately hosted. besides, there are other Gentoo Community Projects that have been around for a lot longer than Jackass!, and i would think that they deserve official mirror space more than Jackass! does.
| Quote: | | Wasn't BitTorrent invented to conquer this problem? I would love to help with seeding the files as I have no other option to support this project. |
yes, bittorrent was invented to conquer this exact problem. one of the problems that i have, though, is that i don't know squat about bittorrent.  although i've used it a couple of times to download files, i have absolutely no experience setting up a tracker. from a tracking standpoint, i think that bittorrent would be superior to our rsync mirror system, as it provides centralized statistics and tracking, where the mirrors don't. the problem, though, is that downloads from mirrors are blazingly fast, where bittorrent can be really slow. if we were to go the bittorrent route, we'd need an army of dedicated seeders to make the system useable.
on the subject of how long it will take to get Jackass! onto the mirrors, well, here's the consideration: I could start publishing tarballs right now if i were willing to attach my name to something that is totally untested and could be totally b0rked. but i'm not willing to do that. before i'm willing to release a new version of Jackass! as a tarball or ISO, i want it to be certified as free of errors, and that requires extensive testing. from a practical standpoint, there's no way to coordinate an immediate release of a new version of Jackass! to coincide with the release of a new verison of Gentoo -- that is, unless you're willing to accept shoddy QA, and that's not the case here. 
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Slalomsk8er
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| Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2005 3:40 pm Post subject: |
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I am not a tracker geek so I don't know what is needed to open a tracker but some apps (azureus) let you publish torrents and makes the tracker on your system automatic. There exists a Apache 2.x module http://freshmeat.net/projects/modbt/ I think this more what you would need for Jackass!Gentoo.
Is there an open betatesting going on for the new Jackass!Gentoo version?
I think my last Jackass!Gentoo installation was better then every other Gentoo install I ever made but the changes in the baselayout and the old kernel not found on the server are some points that need to be adressed. I have not done a 2005.1 install jet so I do not know what else has changes.
Have you asked the devs for server space? I think you need to get dev status to be able to use there mirrors and this would make Jackass!Gentoo a official Gentoo project IMHO.
What other community projects deserve official mirror space more than Jackass!Gentoo? Is there a sort of index for such projects?
<edit>http://www.gentoo-ev.org/en/ is the host of the gentoo tracker ask them if they like to track your releases!</edit> |
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BertsInn
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| Posted: Sat Aug 13, 2005 8:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Slalomsk8er wrote: | | I think my last Jackass!Gentoo installation was better then every other Gentoo install I ever made but the changes in the baselayout and the old kernel not found on the server are some points that need to be adressed. I have not done a 2005.1 install jet so I do not know what else has changes. |
The install specifically warns about upgrading the system files. I have done the baselayout update as well as others. Yes there are pitfalls but not insurmountable ones. A little common sense when updating config files goes a long way. As to addressing the kernel removal that was completely out of the hands of JackAss. If the developers/maintainers change major packages, they are under no obligation to inform the JackAss Project of their intentions. At the time of the release of the JackAss 2005.0 everything as mentioned in the guide was correct. "Time stands still for no One" least of all Gentoo.
I agree this project should get some dev space. Let's petition for this.
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| Posted: Sun Aug 14, 2005 2:34 am Post subject: |
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| The baselayout update was not that hard but you have to emerge sync for a working emerge gentoo-sources so IMHO the devs do not have to inform the Jackass! project but the Jackass! devs have to update the install PDF. |
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Bob P
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| Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2005 10:05 pm Post subject: |
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oh, the PDF was updated a while ago.
actually, Jackass! is about building an optimized toolkit, not about installing Gentoo. because the tarballs behave exactly like Gentoo tarballs from the installation perspective, the Jackass! Installation Guide is not even necessary, and i've been thinking about discontinuing it.
If there are no changes to the Jackass! toolkit, there is really no reason to upgrade the Jackass! Installation Guide. If the kernel, gensplash and baselayout ebuilds get modified, those aren't really Jackass!-related issues and writing new documentation to support somebody else's changing ebuilds really isn't my job. At least I don't think its my job!
In the final analysis, nothing in the Jackass! ISOs has changed, and the Jackass! installation procedures have not changed. No changes to the Jackass! documentation is necessary.
OTOH, if the user decides to rebuild their system, they're no longer using a Jackass! toolkit -- they're using a modified Gentoo system and they need to seek support in the Gentoo forums.
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Slalomsk8er
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| Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2005 6:30 am Post subject: |
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| Bob P wrote: | oh, the PDF was updated a while ago.
actually, Jackass! is about building an optimized toolkit, not about installing Gentoo. because the tarballs behave exactly like Gentoo tarballs from the installation perspective, the Jackass! Installation Guide is not even necessary, and i've been thinking about discontinuing it.
If there are no changes to the Jackass! toolkit, there is really no reason to upgrade the Jackass! Installation Guide. If the kernel, gensplash and baselayout ebuilds get modified, those aren't really Jackass!-related issues and writing new documentation to support somebody else's changing ebuilds really isn't my job. At least I don't think its my job! |
But your install guide is one of the best! It was never simpler to install gentoo then with jackass and your install guide. IMHO it is a lot better then the gentoo quick install guide. How about a wiki (I need a excuse to learn it), so we all can keep it uptodate? |
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| Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2005 6:07 pm Post subject: |
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well, i'm happy that people like my install guide, but its not all that different from the Gentoo x86 guide. actually, they're very similar. i think most people just like the text formatting on mine a bit more. the PDF is a bit easier to read than the web pages, imho.
if people use my jackass install guide and aren't using jackass,, then maybe i should write one for Gentoo. actually, i was thinking of doing it the other way -- eliminating the jackass docs and recommending the jackass users to use gentoo docs instead.
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| Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2005 2:04 am Post subject: Re: Jackass! 2005.0 is Released! |
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| Jackass Project wrote: | UPDATE 2005-07-21: MIRRORS NEEDED
[b][color=blue]We desperately need mirrors to host the Jackass! ISO files. At present, we only have two mirrors, and one of our mirrors seems to have gone dead for quite some time. As a result, the one remaining mirror is being punished for doing a good deed because everyone is using him for downloads. |
Greetings I am more than happy to offer you mirroring as I have a penguin website http://penguinspot.com and since the software is called gentoo/jackass, it would work well to host the download there.
Let me know if you need my assistance. I have servers in Florida and Asia.
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| Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2005 5:25 am Post subject: |
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thank yoiu for your interest in becoming a mirror. let's take this conversation to e-mail to work out the details. just in case anyone else is interested, please follow-up in the Jackass! 2005.1 Development thread.
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| Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 9:33 am Post subject: |
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Hey Bob.
First of all i would like to congragulate you on your fine work! After enjoying your work, i've decided i want to contribute to your work by any means i have at my disposal.
I've added you to my ICQ list if you're interested in my help/resources.
Regards, Carlito
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