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PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2003 7:41 pm    Post subject: Distro with the smallest install size? / Spare comp ideas Reply with quote

Hello all.

I'm looking at getting an old Pentium 133 of mine up and running with Linux. However, I only have a very small hard drive to use with it. I am looking at 426Mb of disk space. It also only has 32Mb of RAM.

Does anyone know which distributions fit on this size disk? I think Debian will, and Gentoo is out of the question by other user's accounts (unless the Gentoo install gets some extensive tweaking, something I don't have time to do myself). Linux From Scratch would work, but that is the system that I used before Gentoo, and I would like to stay away from it if possible.

The system doesn't have to be stand-alone. Would it be possible to simply mount my current gentoo /usr directory over the network? Or would system differences cause too much havoc?

Or would it be possible to use the machine as a terminal server? It would be nice to set up openMosix and some NFS mounts, but I don't know if the hard drive would provide too little swap space to make openMosix feasable.

If anyone can help or has some interesting ideas feel free to post them.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2003 7:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A distro is just a packaging of existing software. So all the linux distros use the same software base -- kernel, OS libraries, and application software. The main difference b/t distros are filesystem layout and packaging methods. Neither of which really affect space that much.

I would recommend gentoo since you can explicitly choose for programs to be compiled with space optimizations (see CFLAGS and gcc). It's been awhile since I've seen how much I could pack onto a small disk, but you could definitely get the base system (including development). It is likely that you could fit one more large package or a slew of smaller ones also. By large I mean X with a small window manager, a web server, or a DBMS (eg, mysql or postgres).

It really depends on what you'd like to do with it. I like to use my old computrers for things like gateways/routers and print/file servers. I also like to string 'em up to test various network protocols and distributed algorithms I work with, but that may be just me..
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2003 8:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

True, but the base packages make all the difference.

The smallest Gentoo base systems I have heard mentioned so far have been between 500 and 700 megabytes. Compare that to Redhat, Debian and others that are around the 250-350 Mb range for a very basic intall. Or LFS which can go under 100Mb (but I would prefer to stay away from LFS).

It would be nice to use Gentoo, but getting it into the 250Mb range might prove troublesome.

If someone has made an uber-small install guide, similar to what you can get out of an LFS system, I would like to hear about it. It would probably need a lot of custom USE flags, as well as cleaning out the /var/tmp, /usr/portage/distfiles, and stripping the debug code out of all the executables.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 13, 2003 12:31 am    Post subject: OpenBSD Reply with quote

If you don't mind straying a bit from linux, try a BSD, my recomendation, openbsd. Tiny base install... even the ports come additionally.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 13, 2003 1:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

another vote for BSD
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 13, 2003 1:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Has anyone mentioned Slackware yet? Slack is great, especially for building a system where being bloated isn't an option.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 13, 2003 3:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What about these ones here:
1. Zipslack: http://www.slackware.com/zipslack/
It's a slackware based distro ...
2. Vector Linux: http://www.vectorlinux.com/Features.htm
Don't know nothing about this one, except that FULL install requires 435Mb of disk space
3. Kurumin: http://www.guiadohardware.net/linux/kurumin/index.asp
Download it here: ftp://ftp.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/Incoming/kurumin-1.1.iso
It's a Brazilian distro, based on Knoppix.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 14, 2003 2:00 am    Post subject: knoppix Reply with quote

Knoppix boots and runs completly from CD. It's debian-based and has a good collection of packages (My downloaded version started up with KDE3.1) - might be the solution, if you have limited disc space. The new version also allows to save configuration files.

http://www.knoppix.net/

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P.S.: It DID run KDE3.1 on a K6-200 with 64 MB RAM - from CD!
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 14, 2003 3:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

knoppix really relies on K which won't run good on his system. The otyher wms are porely setup/broken. ex: i tried to boot it w/ gnome to see what it looks like sinve i've never used it. It was broken on knoppix 3.1. However, Knoppix is still a great distro, but not for a small com.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 14, 2003 11:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think you can do Debian on 50 - 100 MB if you don't install X.

Gentoo doesn't sound like a good choice to me, the portage tree takes up quite some space and compiling takes forever on a P133.

You can also use NFS to mount a remote filesystem as root (/). In that case the only thing you need to put on the hard drive is a kernel image.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 14, 2003 11:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.linuxlinks.com/Distributions/Mini_Distributions/

Perhaps something there that is to your liking?
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 14, 2003 4:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i vote for slackware ...i ran it on a 486 on a little more than 200MB of space. ...with pretty much everything i needed (including kde, amongst other wm!)
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 15, 2003 3:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

brad wrote:

I would recommend gentoo since you can explicitly choose for programs to be compiled with space optimizations (see CFLAGS and gcc).


I would not recommend gentoo in this case. Gentoo uses a lot of temporal space of your HD, and with 426MB you won't probably have space to compile stage1.

I recommend Slackware and selecting only the needed packages.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 15, 2003 6:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i know suse 6.2 used to have an install option for a base system that weighed in just under 150mb or so. slack has something like that too. if it were me, i would say slack for sure. check out the slack book for detailed instructions on installing a mimimal version of slack and what's included with it.

i've used freebsd in the past, and i can vouch for the awesomenicity of it as far as a webserver and other such things. installing linux binary compatibility works good too. i used to host counter-strike servers on my p233 w/ 128mb ram that would outperform 2k servers of a much higher calibur. freebsd for me though is a bit more difficult to use. mostly because im not near as familiar with it as i am with linux and because the people in #freebsd on undernet are complete assholes ;)

so go slack. you won't be disappointed.

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