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PostPosted: Mon Nov 15, 2004 6:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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2.6.9-nitro3 works pretty well, but it's a bit sluggish. I patched 2.6.9-ck3 with Reiser4 (from 2.6.9-mm1 broken-out) and it's noticable faster. Sad to say goodbye to nitro :| I don't need half of the patches and they just makes kernel more unstable...


Open your own patchset! (seriously). It'll get you fame, glory, and a really fast box.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 15, 2004 6:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oktane wrote:
2.6.9-nitro3 works pretty well, but it's a bit sluggish. I patched 2.6.9-ck3 with Reiser4 (from 2.6.9-mm1 broken-out) and it's noticable faster. Sad to say goodbye to nitro :| I don't need half of the patches and they just makes kernel more unstable...


Well, the next nitro is going to be slimmed down seriously. It will only contain: all CK patches, reiser4, fbsplash, vesafb-tng, win4lin and software suspend 2. Maybe configurable hid mouse polling and cflags selection patch as well ..

Actually, reiser4 and software suspend 2 are the only things I use myself (sometimes vesafb-tng and fbsplash as well, but I don't really 'need' that) :)
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 15, 2004 9:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

seppe wrote:
Oktane wrote:
2.6.9-nitro3 works pretty well, but it's a bit sluggish. I patched 2.6.9-ck3 with Reiser4 (from 2.6.9-mm1 broken-out) and it's noticable faster. Sad to say goodbye to nitro :| I don't need half of the patches and they just makes kernel more unstable...


Well, the next nitro is going to be slimmed down seriously. It will only contain: all CK patches, reiser4, fbsplash, vesafb-tng, win4lin and software suspend 2. Maybe configurable hid mouse polling and cflags selection patch as well ..

Actually, reiser4 and software suspend 2 are the only things I use myself (sometimes vesafb-tng and fbsplash as well, but I don't really 'need' that) :)

Sounds very promising! Reiser4, vesafb-tng and "config /dev/tty* count" are the only things I use myself ;) Throwing all the patches from gentoo-dev-sources was really ridiculous ;)
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 15, 2004 9:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

racoontje wrote:
Oktane wrote:
2.6.9-nitro3 works pretty well, but it's a bit sluggish. I patched 2.6.9-ck3 with Reiser4 (from 2.6.9-mm1 broken-out) and it's noticable faster. Sad to say goodbye to nitro :| I don't need half of the patches and they just makes kernel more unstable...


Open your own patchset! (seriously). It'll get you fame, glory, and a really fast box.

Well, grab all Reiser4 files from http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/akpm/patches/2.6/2.6.9/2.6.9-mm1/broken-out and apply those in your kernel sources (follow series file to get right order). Tadaa, you have Reiser4 enabled kernel.
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cd /usr/src/kernel-sources-here
patch -p1 < /path/to/patches

for all the 52 files ;)

There are some pre-made patches but those didn't applied very well so I decided to patch all files myself. Seems to be stable too:
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23:33:06 up 2 days, 20:34,  3 users,  load average: 0.05, 0.25, 0.24
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 15, 2004 11:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The keyboard problems are from the ITERAID driver. It does not work. Not in cko3 either, that is.

Interestingly enough, I have been getting this error too
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CPU 0: Machine Check Exception 0000000000000004
Bank 4: b200000000070f0f
Kernel panic - not syncing: CPU context corrupt


.. with several different kernels (all based on 2.6.9 though). Any ideas what might be causing that? MemTest86+ doesn't find any trouble and the CPU is only around 50 °C so it shouldn't be about overheating either. Nothing is overclocked, of course.

I disabled the goddamn iteraid in BIOS. We'll see if it will work now.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 12:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Throwing all the patches from gentoo-dev-sources was really ridiculous


come on Oktane, some respect for the seppe please.

He's been providing some top kernel patch sets for a while now, and certainly been putting in a lot of effort from which we all benefit.

He seems to have agreed with your comment that there was unneccessary patches in nitro and is going do get back to basics next time around.

If you find the latest offering "ridiculous" stick with nitro1 if its more to your needs. That's the one I'm still on because I find it super stable and I see no new features I need for the moment.

@seppe: keep up the good work.
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PS http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=251449

Looks like cko3 has resolved the persistant SMP/HT issues with R4. Does not affect me but it might be a significant improvement to bring into your next offering.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 12:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry, I really didn't meant to be impolite, maybe "ridiculous" was a wrong word, but anyway, I don't see the point of it.

I have to agree, older nitro-sources really rocks.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 12:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Without doubt a fabulous kernel....

Perhaps a basic release as Seppe intends and then links to all the other patchsets that might have been included but weren't so anyone can patch the Nitro to their level of need...
(then any incompatability issues are our own making and we can sort it out ourselves. Relieves Seppe of a lot of the hard work on a new kernel.:)

A basic course in patching a kernel is coming on - I can see that :(
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 12:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oktane wrote:
seppe wrote:
Oktane wrote:
2.6.9-nitro3 works pretty well, but it's a bit sluggish. I patched 2.6.9-ck3 with Reiser4 (from 2.6.9-mm1 broken-out) and it's noticable faster. Sad to say goodbye to nitro :| I don't need half of the patches and they just makes kernel more unstable...


Well, the next nitro is going to be slimmed down seriously. It will only contain: all CK patches, reiser4, fbsplash, vesafb-tng, win4lin and software suspend 2. Maybe configurable hid mouse polling and cflags selection patch as well ..

Actually, reiser4 and software suspend 2 are the only things I use myself (sometimes vesafb-tng and fbsplash as well, but I don't really 'need' that) :)

Sounds very promising! Reiser4, vesafb-tng and "config /dev/tty* count" are the only things I use myself ;) Throwing all the patches from gentoo-dev-sources was really ridiculous ;)


whats so bad about throwing gentoo-dev-sources into there?
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 3:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm liking the nitro sources, but I'm wondering why fbsplash is used instead of bootsplash? I had bootsplash working, and I don't really feel like trying to convert to fbsplash.

Then again I could just apply the patch myself... or convert...

Thanks for the awesome sources though!
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 3:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bootsplash is outdated, replaced by fbsplash. not that hard to convert. emerge -C bootsplash && emerge splashutils
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 4:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seppe,
You might want to check out what is in the CKO3 patch. When I applied it I've been able to use SMP+Reiser4 perfectly fine. So I'm not sure whats going on. However, I do still get these errors
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Nov 15 22:54:25 Neptune using smp_processor_id() in preemptible code: mailcheck-apple/14064
Nov 15 22:54:25 Neptune [<c0120923>] smp_processor_id+0x84/0x8a
Nov 15 22:54:25 Neptune [<c01293c3>] local_bh_enable+0x6c/0x89
Nov 15 22:54:25 Neptune [<c0390e7d>] lock_sock+0x17/0x58
Nov 15 22:54:25 Neptune [<c03b308e>] tcp_recvmsg+0x28/0x768
Nov 15 22:54:25 Neptune [<c011fcdd>] load_balance_newidle+0x33/0xa0
Nov 15 22:54:25 Neptune [<c039106b>] sock_common_recvmsg+0x54/0x69
Nov 15 22:54:25 Neptune [<c038d71c>] sock_aio_read+0x107/0x11f
Nov 15 22:54:25 Neptune [<c012ccb1>] del_timer+0x69/0x74
Nov 15 22:54:25 Neptune [<c0162476>] do_sync_read+0xd0/0x10f
Nov 15 22:54:25 Neptune [<c01221c3>] autoremove_wake_function+0x0/0x57
Nov 15 22:54:25 Neptune [<c0162551>] vfs_read+0x9c/0x18a
Nov 15 22:54:25 Neptune [<c038f2cc>] sys_socketcall+0xb5/0x251
Nov 15 22:54:25 Neptune [<c0162929>] sys_read+0x51/0x80
Nov 15 22:54:25 Neptune [<c0105203>] syscall_call+0x7/0xb
Nov 15 22:54:30 Neptune printk: 208 messages suppressed.
Nov 15 22:54:30 Neptune using smp_processor_id() in preemptible code: netspeed_applet/12331
Nov 15 22:54:30 Neptune [<c0120923>] smp_processor_id+0x84/0x8a
Nov 15 22:54:30 Neptune [<c01293c3>] local_bh_enable+0x6c/0x89
Nov 15 22:54:30 Neptune [<c0390e7d>] lock_sock+0x17/0x58
Nov 15 22:54:30 Neptune [<c038dddd>] sock_fasync+0x41/0x155
Nov 15 22:54:30 Neptune [<c038dd77>] sock_close+0x28/0x4d
Nov 15 22:54:30 Neptune [<c016374f>] __fput+0x16c/0x1a5
Nov 15 22:54:30 Neptune [<c0161d25>] filp_close+0x52/0x96
Nov 15 22:54:30 Neptune [<c0161dd3>] sys_close+0x6a/0x91
Nov 15 22:54:30 Neptune [<c0105203>] syscall_call+0x7/0xb
Nov 15 22:54:35 Neptune printk: 123 messages suppressed.

and it repeats for almost every process ran. There is one option that I'm gonna remove to see if it still does it. I'll let you know what happens. But as of right now: 23:18:17 up 1:15, 3 users, load average: 3.38, 1.41, 0.77
SMP+Reiser4 working fine. Hope you can get the fix or whatever it is in Nitro4 !!! Thanks for the work you do Seppe!
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 4:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

And, if you remove
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Preempt-unsafe smp_processor_id() checking

from the kernel hacking section of the kernel, all those errors disappear. Yay, I have SMP again (believe it or not.. it actually does help!)

Hope this helps anyone
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 6:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gentree wrote:
stick with nitro1 if its more to your needs. That's the one I'm still on

Likewise. 2.6.9-nitro1 has been working very well for me, but then again I don't use ReiserFS. I'll probably update kernel on the next Nitro iteration, if I'm not feeling too lazy. :wink:
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 12:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If you find the latest offering "ridiculous" stick with nitro1 if its more to your needs. That's the one I'm still on because I find it super stable and I see no new features I need for the moment.


I'm stuck with nitro1 too, it is so awesome. I only had some sound glitches on 3D games thjat I didn't got with gentoo-dev-sources; they were solved as soon as I installed the new and amazing nVidia drivers.

I would want to try every new nitro release (in fact I tried nitro2, but got a kernel panic and I dropped it), but I'm short of time because of my daily job. I'll upgrade my nitro maybe on a 2.6.10 kernel :); I use fbsplash, vesafb-ng, supermount and the speed this kernel gives to me :D.

Seppe, you're my man :D
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 12:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

seppe wrote:
Oktane wrote:
2.6.9-nitro3 works pretty well, but it's a bit sluggish. I patched 2.6.9-ck3 with Reiser4 (from 2.6.9-mm1 broken-out) and it's noticable faster. Sad to say goodbye to nitro :| I don't need half of the patches and they just makes kernel more unstable...


Well, the next nitro is going to be slimmed down seriously. It will only contain: all CK patches, reiser4, fbsplash, vesafb-tng, win4lin and software suspend 2. Maybe configurable hid mouse polling and cflags selection patch as well ..

Actually, reiser4 and software suspend 2 are the only things I use myself (sometimes vesafb-tng and fbsplash as well, but I don't really 'need' that) :)


You will not understand how happy I am that u use Win4Lin and Swsusp2 yourself, makes it easier for me to use them too :D
Those patches u mention are more than enough I think, combine those with the CK-patches and we still got a kernel which rocks like hell and has major extra functionality :)
Keep up the good work mate!
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 4:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nitro4 is coming ..

this is what's in so far:
Code:

all 2.6.9-ck3 patches AND

reiser4-from-2.6.9-mm1-for-nitro.diff | Reiser4, the fastest filesystem on earth
vesafb-tng-0.9-rc4-r3-2.6.9-nitro4.diff | A new and more functional version of vesafb
fbsplash-0.9-r8-2.6.9-nitro4.diff | Gensplash, a bootsplash replacement
software-suspend-2.1.5_AND_Win4Lin-for-nitro.diff | Software Suspend 2 AND Win4Lin
menuconfig-NAME-v2.1-dev5-for-nitro.diff | Say my name, menuconfig!
config-nr-tty-devices.diff | config /dev/tty* count for a cleaner /dev
chmp-r4-2.6.9.patch | Configurable USB HID Mouse Polling
cflags-selection-for-nitro.diff | compile the kernel with other CFLAGS
config_hz.diff | Set the internal clock frequency


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 8:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

seppe wrote:
nitro4 is coming ..

this is what's in so far:
Code:

all 2.6.9-ck3 patches AND

reiser4-from-2.6.9-mm1-for-nitro.diff | Reiser4, the fastest filesystem on earth
vesafb-tng-0.9-rc4-r3-2.6.9-nitro4.diff | A new and more functional version of vesafb
fbsplash-0.9-r8-2.6.9-nitro4.diff | Gensplash, a bootsplash replacement
software-suspend-2.1.5_AND_Win4Lin-for-nitro.diff | Software Suspend 2 AND Win4Lin
menuconfig-NAME-v2.1-dev5-for-nitro.diff | Say my name, menuconfig!
config-nr-tty-devices.diff | config /dev/tty* count for a cleaner /dev
chmp-r4-2.6.9.patch | Configurable USB HID Mouse Polling
cflags-selection-for-nitro.diff | compile the kernel with other CFLAGS
config_hz.diff | Set the internal clock frequency


Good?

Great ;)
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Supermount is missing! That's a must-have for almost every computer (for example: boxes that have any CD/DVD drives).
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Tronic wrote:
Supermount is missing! That's a must-have for almost every computer (for example: boxes that have any CD/DVD drives).


I've never tried supermount before. Is there any permormance hit to the machine? (I assume it needs to poll the drives to see if a cd is in the drive.)
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Supermount is missing! That's a must-have for almost every computer (for example: boxes that have any CD/DVD drives).

You should start using HAL+DBUS instead. If you really need supermount, patch it yourself.
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I've never tried supermount before. Is there any permormance hit to the machine? (I assume it needs to poll the drives to see if a cd is in the drive.)


No, it does not poll and thus there is no performance hit. It mounts the drive when you access the mount point. The eject button works too, but I don't really know how it does that.

Replace your removable media rows in /etc/fstab with ones that look like this:
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none /mnt/dvd supermount dev=/dev/dvd,fs=auto 0 0


dev = the real device, such as /dev/hdc
fs = fs type (auto is a good choice)
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You should start using HAL+DBUS instead. If you really need supermount, patch it yourself.


What the heck are HAL and DBUS, why should I bother learning them (when supermount works perfectly fine), and how to set them up?

And most importantly: why do the kernel developers constantly reinvent the wheel (devfs -> udev, software suspend in three different ways, ..)?
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Tronic wrote:
Oktane wrote:
You should start using HAL+DBUS instead. If you really need supermount, patch it yourself.


What the heck are HAL and DBUS, why should I bother learning them (when supermount works perfectly fine), and how to set them up?

And most importantly: why do the kernel developers constantly reinvent the wheel (devfs -> udev, software suspend in three different ways, ..)?

Answer is very simple: old things are being obsoleted by newer and better methods.
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Answer is very simple: old things are being obsoleted by newer and better methods.


Newer, yes. Better? Well, there are others who don't agree on that either.

Supermount is small and stable, and does exactly what it should, exactly the way it should. Seems quite impossible to improve from that. But I haven't seen an obsolete sign, or even a deprecated one, on supermount in my kernel configs either.
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