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GNU/Linux or Linux alone?
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2004 3:00 pm    Post subject: GNU/Linux or Linux alone? Reply with quote

GNU/Linux or Linux alone? I am curious about the position Gentooers take.

Here's why it may matter.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2004 3:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, it depends - When around people who know that GNU's in there, I omit it. Even otherwise, I just drop it, in casual conversation. It's only when I find someone having a wrong impression (Linux 9, anyone? :roll: ).

I think it's technically right, but there's no other real choice - if someone made a BSD base system on top of a Linux kernel or something, it makes more sense, but being just GNU and Linux, there's no real point, except for those who are like I mentioned.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2004 3:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2004 3:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

AFAIK, Linux is the name of the kernel that Linus Torvalds wrote in 1991.

GNU is an organization that develop open source software. Since distributions started to use GNU's softwre to go with the Kernel called Linux, so I guess they should be called GNU/Linux system.

However, people tend to like shorter simpler name, so somehow people started to call their systems a Linux system since the Kernel (seems like the most important part of a system) is called Linux.

That's my understanding and please correct me if I am wrong.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2004 3:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I tend to just abide by the distro's own choice in the matter. So: Debian GNU/Linux, Gentoo Linux, etc...
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2004 3:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Linux is just easier to say, GNU/Linux is a horrible name IMO.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2004 3:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

chunderbunny wrote:
Linux is just easier to say, GNU/Linux is a horrible name IMO.


i agree. i think it's defintely right to include GNU in it since a lot of it is indeed GNU stuff, but it's mad hard to say. If people ask me what I run, i tell em gentoo. If that leaves them with a puzzled face, just mention linux, and then they'll get it.

Officially tho, def gnu/linux.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2004 3:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

officially, GNU/Linux

when I know I'm not talking to idiots, Linux

when I know I'm talking to ignorant people, GNU/Linux
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2004 4:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nightmare wrote:
If people ask me what I run, i tell em gentoo. If that leaves them with a puzzled face, just mention linux, and then they'll get it.


I think this is actually the best answer (or side-step, if you want). Lately, especially after hearing coworkers complain about the "splintering" of Linux and how it will hurt its acceptance, I've decided that it's best just to refer to distributions as if they were separate entities. People have no trouble distinguishing between, for example, Windows 2000, Windows 2000 Server, and Windows Me, so ideally they shouldn't have any trouble with Gentoo, SuSE (and SLES), Red Hat (and Fedora), etc.

"But wait," you might ask, "then what should the all-encompassing equivalent to 'Windows' or 'MacOS' be?" I'm kind of thinking there really isn't one on that level. Each distribution has its own philosophy of doing things, so naming the distribution is about as general as you can get without masking differences that shouldn't be masked. Of course, you can then emphasize that these distributions are in fact built with the same tools, and these tools include the Linux kernel along with software provided by GNU (and BSD and other sources).

But that's too much of answer for what was supposed to be a simple question, isn't it? Eh, I just say "Linux." :)
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2004 5:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just Linux. Simply because RMS is militant about GNU/Linux. Linux is easier to say, too.

:P @ RMS.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2004 5:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Every time I see "RMS" mentioned I have to remind myself it doesn't stand for "Root Mean Square"
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2004 6:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2004 6:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Linux is much easier - and if you are talking to Windosey people they probably won't have a clue what you are on about if you say GNU/Linux, but may understand just Linux.

I think GNU/Linux is just for people who want to be correct about everything they say - for example you aren't going to go around saying Microsoft Windows all the time instead of just Windows (or whatever else you call it :P ).

Also Linux has been worked on by many thousands (is that a bit exagerated?) of people - it seems a bit unfair that one organisation has its name in the title but everyone else gets left out.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2004 6:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I always use GNU/Linux when writing, even to the point of calling Gentoo, Gentoo GNU/Linux, even though it's not the correct name. I believe the FSF requires acknowledgement for their technical as well as philosophical contributions. Basically, what we run is really nothing but GNU with a Linux kernel and a swanky package manager. ;)

In speech, though, I merely use "Linux" since saying "GNU/Linux" might instead come off as "GNU Linux," and I believe we can all agree that Linux is not a part of GNU. ;)
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2004 8:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

pjp wrote:
Just Linux. Simply because RMS is militant about GNU/Linux. Linux is easier to say, too.

:P @ RMS.


Besides, without Linux GNU would still be an OS without a kernel -- or as the HURD passed 1.0 yet?
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2004 8:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stormy Eyes wrote:
pjp wrote:
Just Linux. Simply because RMS is militant about GNU/Linux. Linux is easier to say, too.

:P @ RMS.


Besides, without Linux GNU would still be an OS without a kernel -- or as the HURD passed 1.0 yet?
The Hurd's site said a while back that it is as usable (has the same drivers/device support) as the 2.0 Linux kernel. *shrug*..I can't seem to find it now, and they are migrating to the L4 microkernel it looks like, so we may be in for a longer wait...
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2004 8:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

codergeek42 wrote:
The Hurd's site said
And as we know, you can always trust the manufacturer of a product to be completely honest and upfront.

How large is the HURD userbase? Does it run on 1/4th the amount of systems?
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2004 8:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I usually say Linux, but I often write/type it as GNU/Linux.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 24, 2004 12:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

pjp wrote:
codergeek42 wrote:
The Hurd's site said
And as we know, you can always trust the manufacturer of a product to be completely honest and upfront.
Of course! :roll:
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 24, 2004 12:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Linux when I talk about it and GNU/Linux when write/type it.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 24, 2004 1:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think it matters what you call it. It's still the same thing.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 24, 2004 2:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Linux. I mean, if we're going to throw in GNU, we might as well throw in every other group that's contributed something. So let's just not and stick to the kernel. Besides, "Linux" is easier to pronounce then "Guh-new Slash Linux"
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 24, 2004 2:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 24, 2004 3:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Roguelazer wrote:
"Linux" is easier to pronounce then "Guh-new Slash Linux"


I agree. How about when you talk about cars, do you say ford mustang every time you talk about mustangs. Probably not, you're more likely to just say mustang. People still know what you are talking about.

I would also get annoyed with someone that kept saying GNU/Linux in conversation too. We're geeks, we shorten things by nature. rm || remove.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 24, 2004 3:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If I were to write a professional article on Linux, I would use GNU/Linux.

If I were talking to anybody, the non-savvy people would know what it is, and the people that do know already know what the GNU is, I would just use 'Linux'.

GNU/* is like adding 'Sir' or "Ma'am' in from of the name. It's formal, but you usually don't use it unless your in a formal setting.
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