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| TheCoop wrote: | | blicly mocking the Word of God is not a good idea. |
| TheCoop wrote: | lighten up, its just a joke.
thats the problem with todays society, everyone is too politically correct |
What has "mocking the Word of God" to do with politics, it's freedom of speech. Believe and politics shouldn't be interwoven, although you could base yourself on the bible, tora, koran etc......
The goverment should be there for all people and thus all believes in a country.........need my medicine again.......... Note to bush / US, it's not mentioning the word of God / doing things in name of God but the actions itself that count. Fighting wars in the name of God / Allah is a contradictio interminis.
Besides it ain't mocking the Word of God (god didn't speak english) and what if it is,......
**disclaimer**
I'm not anti or pro religion. I think everybody should decide this for themselfs, just as with windows / gnu/linux, ....
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| TheCoop wrote: | lighten up, its just a joke.
thats the problem with todays society, everyone is too politically correct |
That was my point ;) I am sure you will agree that some things are appropriate to joke about publicly and some are not. Because the Bible is a controversial subject and for other reasons, I feel strongly that mocking it is a bad idea as my post states. |
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And in private??  This text looks more like the Epics from North Europe, the only word that remembers the Holly Book is the "amen". As long as anybody directly offends any religion, I think we can have it in the Forums. Well, if somebody feels offended, he/she/it may PM a Moderator to deal with it. Or may just keep walking...
Disclaimer: the opinion above is not mine, nor anybody else opinion. I had it GPL'ed 
| Robert wrote: | | Publicly mocking the Word of God is not a good idea. |
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ROFLMAO. That is the single funniest piece of geek humor I have ever read,* not in small part by the introduction of the words crufty and bogacious. Ok, I've heard crufty before but forgotten it.
As for my 2 cents on whether it mocks anyone's holy writ: I've read the bible pretty much my whole life and while it does sound a little like it, to me it sounds just as much like non-culturally specific mythology. Of course I have read very little mythology.
*in recent memory at least. |
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| Robert wrote: | | Publicly mocking the Word of God is not a good idea. |
I've had a bad day when I've not publicly mocked the "Word of God".
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| Quote: | | not in small part by the introduction of the words crufty and bogacious. |
Yes, that really got to me too! LOL!
I've always thought it was very pretentious of the christians to name their god "God" - it's like Toyota naming their new model "Car", as if it was some kind of special case of the generic class car. It would make it difficult to refer to a car without people thinking of Toyota, just as it is now with a god. |
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Of course, but He is God... unless you are M$, there is nothing that you could do about it
| Herodot wrote: | | It would make it difficult to refer to a car without people thinking of Toyota, just as it is now with a god. |
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| kanuslupus wrote: | | I've had a bad day when I've not publicly mocked the "Word of God". |
Suit yourself, but I still maintain that it's not a good idea. |
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Isn't a bad one either.
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| Herodot wrote: | | I've always thought it was very pretentious of the christians to name their god "God" |
I thought the Judeo-Christian deity was named "Yahweh". Apologies for spelling mistakes, or if people are offended by the mention of the name (there is some taboo surrounding this, IIRC). In any case, the use of "God" is an interesting statement, and I think it's deliberate. Monotheistic religions, at least Biblical ones with which I am familiar (Judaism, Christianity, Islam) have as one of their tenets "there is no deity but deity X", so it makes sense to use "God" (in whatever language you are speaking), as it linguistically precludes the possibility of the existence of any other deity. In particular, polytheistic or animistic religions, with which monotheistic religions were often competing, would be nicely preempted.
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| Robert wrote: | | Publicly mocking the Word of God is not a good idea. |
You are on the wrong web-board.
Try to search on Google for:
Religious fanatics united
Humorless preachers
church morons
I'm sure you'll find a more appropriate board than this.
Leave me alone, Robert! I don't care about anything you call God. That thing doesn;t exist, it is just a story, not even a good one. Try to lighten up a bit. Did this God-thing tell you that he didn't like the story? How do you know that this God doesn't laugh his ass off?
Geezzz...
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| I think we can avoid the religious/atheistic flame war here... even in "Off the Wall" we should behave, or some moderator will come to lock the thread... then, shame on us. |
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Isn't GOD, in a monotheistic religion, the one to judge about such topics, everybody is allowed to live their lives as they please, and you can state your opinion, even if I don't agree or I think you're a mad man, I'm still supporting the first amendment (well our first anyway Freespeech).
Also I think bush saying god bless America, after the 9/11 terror attacks, shows bad taste, he could have said god bless the world, cause god is there for all the people, believers and none believers, god has created people after his own image, if you're american or iraky or whatever shouldn't differ...... Well I don't like Bush anyway.
Well I'm not pro / against any religion, well not if they don't hurt other people / believes. Religious text can be interpretted differently, and I'm quiet sure people killing other people on the basis of a religious text are interpretating the text wrong and will be punished by the GOD they believe in, but in the mean time people should take action to defend the people attacked ofcourse.
Damn, In the name of GOD, doesn't exist, you are accountable for your own actions, GOD will judge you on these actions later.
Besides there's freedom of religion so in the eyes of atheist this isn't blasphemy well I should even think that to the majority of christians etc it isn't.
I personally have no stance on the existens of a god, as they say there's no proof that GOD exists, but it's also not proven he doesn't, so why bother, I have the feeling that all these so called religions, were made up to get some control into the society.....
Well I stop here, discussing religion is pointless, you believe or you don't, logic doesn't play a part in it.
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I agree that arguing religion is pointless, to a degree.
You have to make your mind up based on your own experiences.
That said, it does NOT make sence to me to NOT believe in something.
I don't understand Athiests.
If there is no God, then fine. When you die nothing happens.
But does it not make sence to believe, just in case it's true?
Surely beyond our puny human scope of intelligence, God just may be possible?
I cannot say "I know EVERYTHING. I know God does not exist, therefore I won't believe in any God."
so, logic does indeed play a part in it, lx 
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I'm not quit sure, but I think I'm agreeing with you taskara, and I tried to make the same point before, well anyways I'm not an atheist but I'm also not a follower of a certain religious society or believes....... and yes logic plays it role although many believers can't discuss there believe using logic only.....
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| taskara wrote: | I agree that arguing religion is pointless, to a degree.
You have to make your mind up based on your own experiences.
That said, it does NOT make sence to me to NOT believe in something.
I don't understand Athiests.
If there is no God, then fine. When you die nothing happens.
But does it not make sence to believe, just in case it's true?
Surely beyond our puny human scope of intelligence, God just may be possible?
I cannot say "I know EVERYTHING. I know God does not exist, therefore I won't believe in any God."
so, logic does indeed play a part in it, lx |
I really don't pose that question to me: if there is life after death alright, I'm gonna see it in proper time... If there is not... well, no disapointment either, it's not like I was expecting something and was let down.  I'll probably won't even have the time to make such an assertion...
You see I find morality a detached issue from religion... What *I* don't understand is that the main monotheistic religions are all concentrated on more or less "being nice" out of love yet they all support that thesis with a reward meccanism. You be good and go to paradise, be bad and pay forever after... So if I'm good just to get a nice seat in the afterlife isn't it a bit too egoistic of me? I don't need any "paradise" promises to keep me from being an utter bastard. My sense of humanism is quite enough...
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Don't forget that everybody can be forgiven for their sins, well at least in christianity. In middel-ages you could buy your way into heaven,....
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Well, for me it looked like uncle Billg was trying to do something like this when he made those donations in India
| lx wrote: | Don't forget that everybody can be forgiven for their sins, well at least in christianity. In middel-ages you could buy your way into heaven,....
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cool, lx
man if only ppl could see what linux geeks REALLY discuss!! HAHA
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| taskara wrote: | | But does it not make sence to believe, just in case it's true? |
If that's the only reason you believe, and you're right, I imagine I'll see you in Hell. If there is a God I doubt he'd be very satisfied by "Just in case" beliefs since there is inherent doubt in that sort of argument and it is basically just lipservice to avoid punishment.
P.S. anyone know why if I open and close a BBCode tag manually my post always appends the closing tag to the end automatically? I always have to edit at least once because of that..
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| Delphiki wrote: | | If that's the only reason you believe, and you're right, I imagine I'll see you in Hell. If there is a God I doubt he'd be very satisfied by "Just in case" beliefs since there is inherent doubt in that sort of argument and it is basically just lipservice to avoid punishment. |
The whole selection criteria thingy is so none GOD like and an act of an unforgiving father, that it's absurd.
Ps. if I go to this so-called hell (probably a Windows only world, so I'm almost in hell already)) I will see the majority of the people there, cause many are plain hypocrits, actions speak louder then words, it's how you live your life, not how hard and many times your say you believe and do everything in GODs name.
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Some more blasphemy, which probably covers everything:
Dumb all over (Frank Zappa [!guy on the toilet!*] )
From the album You are what you is, 1981, (Bark 2-Barking PW2-37537)
complete lyrics are at http://www.update.uu.se/~fbendz/lyrics/dumb_all.htm, a must to read.
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Nurds on the left
Nurds on the right
Religous fanatics
On the air every night
Sayin' the Bible
Tells the story
Makes the details
Sound real gory
'Bout what to do
If the geeks over there
Don't believe in the book
We got over here
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If we're dumb...
Then God is dumb...
*(An' maybe even a little ugly on the side)* |
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* before I get request from moderator (because someone ain't brave enough to mail me directly) that he find a guy on a toilet offending, I say it's art and it's a drawing.......
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| lx wrote: | | The whole selection criteria thingy is so none GOD like and an act of an unforgiving father, that it's absurd. |
Just about every religion I've ever heard of says that "faith" and "belief" are important. My entire point was that if you "believe, just in case it's true", then you don't really believe. If you really have any kind of belief then there is no just in case.
And also I'd like to point out that I'm not a religious zealot, or a religious person of any other type. I realize my messages could possibly give that impression..
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| Delphiki wrote: | Just about every religion I've ever heard of says that "faith" and "belief" are important. My entire point was that if you "believe, just in case it's true", then you don't really believe. If you really have any kind of belief then there is no just in case.
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Well I went a little further and said that if you read the bible (i read it once), and probably other religious text, you read about how god forgives and saves people from suffering etc, so in short he has good intensions, people gone astray are guided by him to the right path etc etc etc. So why should this suddenly be different when you dye, but I also agreed that with your statement that just in case shouldn't be enough..... (actions speak louder then words)....
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