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Please stop the forums/mailing list flame war. To each their own.
Regarding papercut, I posted a couple messages on their forum. I'll check the status of that today and, pending the results, may look at papercut further.
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| Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2004 6:36 pm Post subject: why forums instead of wiki |
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I think we are bloating up the forum with stuffs that are supposed to be part of wiki. For eg, look at FAQ in Documentation forum. I know the choice of forum over website is for easy modification -- but that's why wiki's are for.
Wiki's are easy to navigate for users (from mainpage).
Why can't we setup and wiki for such things and leave the forum for only discussions?
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Someone that's been around for longer can probably comment more thoroughly, but i gather that they've tried a few times and for whatever reason, don't get very far off the ground.
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| Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2004 6:43 pm Post subject: |
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| rmalolepszy wrote: | | Someone that's been around for longer can probably comment more thoroughly, but i gather that they've tried a few times and for whatever reason, don't get very far off the ground. |
So what are the problems that they faced?
Even in Wiki users can comment (just append below the article).
Wiki's are accepted widely -- but just wondering why in gentoo world we still prefer forums for everything.
I prefer
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki
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pixie
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The whole point of Gentoo is choice.
There are forums, there are mailing lists, there is wiki, there is a livejournal community or two, there is IRC.
People can choose where they want to go. Personally I just prefer the forum based interaction over others. |
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saccory
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| Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2004 6:55 pm Post subject: |
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There is a wiki, cool  Where? |
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sridharinfinity
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| Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2004 6:56 pm Post subject: |
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| pixie wrote: | The whole point of Gentoo is choice.
There are forums, there are mailing lists, there is wiki, there is a livejournal community or two, there is IRC. |
Sometimes choices can cause confusion and lack of central availability (of docs for eg.)
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People can choose where they want to go. Personally I just prefer the forum based interaction over others. |
In that case, can we just link to the Wiki article from forums ... what I mean is put the content in Wiki and if you like leave the discussions in the forum.
Still no lack of choices!
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pixie
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| Quote: | In that case, can we just link to the Wiki article from forums ... what I mean is put the content in Wiki and if you like leave the discussions in the forum.
Still no lack of choices! |
Or people can just do things how they like. Feel free to link in relevant documents on here though, I am sure it would be appreciated. Forums just seem a better idea for addressing what are often random and/or temporary problems people have. Especially for a distro with a package set that changes constantly all day every day.
For documentation, how tos and tutorials relevant to Gentoo I am sure wiki is a perfect medium though. |
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sridharinfinity
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| Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2004 7:15 pm Post subject: |
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| pixie wrote: | | Quote: | In that case, can we just link to the Wiki article from forums ... what I mean is put the content in Wiki and if you like leave the discussions in the forum.
Still no lack of choices! |
Or people can just do things how they like. Feel free to link in relevant documents on here though, I am sure it would be appreciated. Forums just seem a better idea for addressing what are often random and/or temporary problems people have. Especially for a distro with a package set that changes constantly all day every day.
For documentation, how tos and tutorials relevant to Gentoo I am sure wiki is a perfect medium though. |
That's what I'm trying to argue about. HOWTOs, FAQs and other documents can be put in Wiki instead of using forums -- and Wiki is uniquely meant for that. As you said, *temporary problems* of course can be handled in forum itself.
When reading the Wiki article, users can visit the relevant forum topics by just using the links in that article's discussion page.
Sounds logical for me.
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| Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2004 9:07 pm Post subject: |
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| you can't make people use a wiki. there is a gentoo wiki (or two), some people use them, a lot of people don't. there's not much we can do about it. |
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sridharinfinity
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| allucid wrote: | | you can't make people use a wiki. there is a gentoo wiki (or two), some people use them, a lot of people don't. there's not much we can do about it. |
... just like you too can't make people use a forum. Gentoo is all about choice, I understand -- but this cannot be applied for Documentation, bcoz we need a good centralization ... and that's Wiki. Also the official documentation is different from documentation of this kind (FAQ, HOWTO, TIPS). That's why these stuffs are not put in www.gentoo.org
But think a moment -- just to refer an article .. Alice cannot go search the forums for that or cannot use the non-conventional way of browsing through the forums. Also refering articles in the forums is not that easy, as the significant part forum URLs is just the `id` number -- not good for humans to remember. Instead if she had been instructed to use Wiki, life would have been easier to her.
I can't get to your point trying to say *most* of the people prefer forum -- perhaps you're wrong. Can we create a poll? .. with a link to this thread.
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| sridharinfinity wrote: | | allucid wrote: | | you can't make people use a wiki. there is a gentoo wiki (or two), some people use them, a lot of people don't. there's not much we can do about it. |
... just like you too can't make people use a forum. Gentoo is all about choice, I understand -- but this cannot be applied for Documentation, bcoz we need a good centralization ... and that's Wiki. Also the official documentation is different from documentation of this kind (FAQ, HOWTO, TIPS). That's why these stuffs are not put in www.gentoo.org |
So what are you proposing then? Shutting down the support forums, and replacing them with a link to some wiki? If so, I don't think you understand *at all* what allucid was saying. If not, I don't understand what you're trying to accomplish with this thread.
 Wikis are highly overrated anyway... |
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sridharinfinity
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Forums are necessary but that doesn't mean documentation should also be put in that.
We can have discussions in forums -- that's logical.
But what makes us to use the forums for documentation, howtos, tips too. We can just setup a Wiki for that. As I said before it has sweet URLS (rather than something like thishttp://forums.gentoo.org/posting.php?mode=reply&t=184133). Also Wiki is special that a user can't miss it in the beginning .. like I did when I first joined the forum .. but only in the recent days I came to know that there are some documentation in the forum.
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sridharinfinity
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| Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2004 1:52 am Post subject: |
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| wdreinhart wrote: |
Wikis are highly overrated anyway... |
So if most people prefer Wiki why can't we go for that.
Can u just list the advantages of using forums over Wiki in the case of documentation.
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| Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2004 2:28 am Post subject: |
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| i don't think you got my point. everybody has the option to post howtos, articles, etc. to the gentoo forums or the gentoo wiki. most people choose the forums. i don't see what anyone can do to change that. |
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sridharinfinity
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| allucid wrote: | | i don't think you got my point. everybody has the option to post howtos, articles, etc. to the gentoo forums or the gentoo wiki. most people choose the forums. i don't see what anyone can do to change that. |
Because that is the only (and better) option now as most of articles are in forums rather than Wiki. I'm sure if they were available in Wiki, then people would chose that and love that too.
Why can't we setup a trial. The articles are great and growing in number. Just copy the content to the new wiki .. and redirect users to the wiki, by giving links in the forum articles.
By doing this all future works will have the advantages of Wiki, without bloating up the forums.
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Too late for a poll unless you can add it to your first post. As indicated in the forum guidelines, please do not crosspost. Thanks.
| Quote: | | PS: This is just an example of `not so good looking` URL we used to refer the articles in the forums .. one of the disadvantages of puting articles in forums. |
Use url tags.
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| sridharinfinity wrote: | | Why can't we setup a trial. |
So, do you mean something like gentoo-wiki.com?
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| Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2004 10:57 am Post subject: |
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| sridharinfinity wrote: | | A poll has been started here |
Go ahead and put the poll in your first post (just edit it). You might want to put a link to the existing wiki, too.
The forums still seem to be used more for some reason. Maybe not many people know about the wiki. |
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i do not want to open a separate page just to read what a thread is about.
and i generally prefer the layout of forums over that of wikis.
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| neenee wrote: | i do not want to open a separate page just to read what a thread is about.
and i generally prefer the layout of forums over that of wikis. |
Well I belive the forum is great for quick fixes, disscussion and many other things. But i have found many HOWTOs on the forums, many of these HOWTOs become out of date very quickly, with only the author really able to edit it, and also many of them are written many times over by many people.. making it confusing.
That is the reason I started the Wiki, And i would encourage anyone to add more articles to it. currently the site gets about 600 visits (5000 hits) a day, but i would like to see it get as mnany hits as my other site, so tell your friends.
Also, if anyone has any suggestions feel free to email me about them mikevalstar@gentoo-portage.com
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| allucid wrote: | | sridharinfinity wrote: | | A poll has been started here |
Go ahead and put the poll in your first post (just edit it).
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Done.
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You might want to put a link to the existing wiki, too.
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There is one Wiki (http://gentoo-wiki.com/Main_Page) -- but not quite extensive in content for reviews.
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The forums still seem to be used more for some reason. Maybe not many people know about the wiki. |
Yeah! Forums are definitely necessary -- but not really suited for documentation.
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Well, I am now planning to that job myself. I want to copy those docs, tips etc in gentoo forums to a Wiki (possibly http://gentoo-wiki.com).
Can I do that freely -- or should I ask the authors for permissions.
Also is there a system for tracking changes to the content in the threads?
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