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PostPosted: Sun Apr 18, 2004 3:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Ever heard of pre-existence of souls?


That is a nonsense word. Either something exists or it doesn't. There's no such thing as pre-existence. Besides that, what has it got to do with the issue at hand?


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You may not say it in his face, but you do think that. Or you're hopelessly inconsequent.

i dont think that, i know that, but that doesnt stop me from helping them.
The correct term is "believe". Just curious, what is your believe system (religion)?
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 18, 2004 3:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Petrjanda: you are a poster child for religion!
if anyone doubts that religion is the worst thing to happen to humanity, all they have to do is read your sick posts. I have never in my life seen such ignorance and blind hatred as you expose in your writings. using religion as a shield for your own shortcomings and for your own hatred is just so arch-typical religion and it also shows why religion is not doing anything but harm to people.

You make me sick and all I want to do is puke after reading your insane ramblings. It's sad and sickening that people like you actually exists.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 18, 2004 3:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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shameful? how about _you_ have chosen to be homosexual?


Are you insinuating that being gay is shameful? Odd, since I'm not ashamed at all, nor do I remember ever having been given a choice, but then again my straight friends have a hard time remembering when they chose to be straight as well...

On the other hand, telling people they deserve to get ill and die, well, that's quite shameful indeed.

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If you actually knew a bit of scriptual history you would have known that the oldest greek dated Old Testament (300 B.C.) gives a prophecy "a virgin will give birth to a son", not as the hebrew old testament(900 A.D) says "a maiden will give birth to son", so making Jesus a bastard child, is what exactly the talmudic jews wanted to. Your comments are inappropriate, not you have proven to be ignorant, brainwashed and unknowledgeble.


Yeah, yeah, whatever. You keep worshipping your little nailed to a stick storybook masochist of a bastard and his whore of a mother and defend their imaginary lives which are exactly like those lives your little fairy tales disapprove of, all the while blaming your own lack of humanity and common decency on said stories, but don't expect anyone else to idly sit through your bull.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 18, 2004 4:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Is it too hard to understand that by saying "you had the cancer coming" because you cared for your body as much as the trash in your bin?

What about those born with disabilities or diseases?
Is that God taking tips from GWB and handing out pre-emptive wrath?

karma.


OK... so you're arguing the Christian case and yet you quote karma in your case? Um...

You're also coming across rather heavy on the fate/predestination/Romans 8 front... Well, if you want to believe that it's all pre-destined then so be it, but don't tout that as an all pervading Christian belief.

There's a Christian right here that believes we all have the right to choose what we do and that sometimes bad things just happen to people as a result of living in a fallen world. I don't believe that everyone deserves what they get on this earth. Murderers get away with it all the time, and innocent children are killed in car accidents. Let's save the judgement for our sins and bad behaviour for the other side of the grave, huh?
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 18, 2004 4:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Petrjanda: you are a poster child for religion!

Please, I know plenty of reasonable people who are religious. Petrjanda would probably be talking shit even if religion didn't exist - it is his "fate".


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 18, 2004 4:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Yeah, yeah, whatever. You keep worshipping your little nailed to a stick storybook masochist of a bastard and his whore of a mother and defend their imaginary lives which are exactly like those lives your little fairy tales disapprove of, all the while blaming your own lack of humanity and common decency on said stories, but don't expect anyone else to idly sit through your bull.

Surely you don't need to resort to this sort of arguing. You do realise that your reply may insult lots of people who you have (well, had) no quarrel with.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 18, 2004 4:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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That is a nonsense word. Either something exists or it doesn't. There's no such thing as pre-existence. Besides that, what has it got to do with the issue at hand?

What I meant is that souls existed before they became "trapped" here in physical.

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The correct term is "believe". Just curious, what is your believe system (religion)?

Yeah "believe" is a more correct term.
Christian Gnostic is what it is called, its not really a "religion" though.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 18, 2004 4:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Surely you don't need to resort to this sort of arguing. You do realise that your reply may insult lots of people who you have (well, had) no quarrel with.


Sorry, I have a hard time showing respect for fictional characters. If it's of any consolation to anyone, I talk shit about Pippi Longstocking too... :P

Actually, I have no quarrel with religious people. I have a quarrel with religious people who use their religion as an excuse for being utter shits. Thus, I return the favor...
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 18, 2004 4:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What I meant is that souls existed before they became "trapped" here in physical.

To what end?

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The correct term is "believe". Just curious, what is your believe system (religion)?

Yeah "believe" is a more correct term.
Christian Gnostic is what it is called, its not really a "religion" though.

Hmm, hadn't heard of that one before. Sounds like a form of determinism with a whiff of mysticism.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 18, 2004 4:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Are you insinuating that being gay is shameful? Odd, since I'm not ashamed at all, nor do I remember ever having been given a choice, but then again my straight friends have a hard time remembering when they chose to be straight as well...

On the other hand, telling people they deserve to get ill and die, well, that's quite shameful indeed.

Sorry, i badly formulated the sentence. I was asking what is shameful about thinking that everyone recieves as they have given, and so they _deserved it_?

And about the 2nd part saying "you have chosen it": it was before you were born, its outside your material conscience, but it is in the conscience of your soul.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 18, 2004 4:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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In summary, don't f*ck so much, or at least, do not change of couple often, so you won't get HIV or other illnesses.


Did you happen to know that in Africa major part of women who have HIV got it from their husbands. Now, are you saying that these people, many of wich have been nothing but faitful to their partners, deserved it. And what about the babies these infected women then give birth to. Worst thing that they have ever done was to penetrate to the world through their mother's vagina causing unimaginable pain, but haven't we all. Probably even this Jesus person you all keep talking about.
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To what end?

What do you mean?

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Hmm, hadn't heard of that one before. Sounds like a form of determinism with a whiff of mysticism.

you can also call it christian mysticism, its basically christianity mixed with platonism and jewish mysticism. ;)
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 18, 2004 4:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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In summary, don't f*ck so much, or at least, do not change of couple often, so you won't get HIV or other illnesses.


Did you happen to know that in Africa major part of women who have HIV got it from their husbands. Now, are you saying that these people, many of wich have been nothing but faitful to their partners, deserved it. And what about the babies these infected women then give birth to. Worst thing that they have ever done was to penetrate to the world through their mother's vagina causing unimaginable pain, but haven't we all. Probably even this Jesus person you all keep talking about.

They were probably dirty poofs in a past life and hence had it coming!
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 18, 2004 4:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Sorry, i badly formulated the sentence. I was asking what is shameful about thinking that everyone recieves as they have given, and so they _deserves it_?


If you, by your own accord, can't see what is so wrong (and shameful) with that sort of rhetoric, then I may very well have to start pitying you.

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And about the 2nd part saying "you have chosen it": it was before you were born, its outside your material conscience, but it is in the conscience of your soul.


Sure. Ever the heard the one about the magical unicorns before?
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What I meant is that souls existed before they became "trapped" here in physical.


Gosh! I don't remember existing before I "came " here. Do you?
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In summary, don't f*ck so much, or at least, do not change of couple often, so you won't get HIV or other illnesses.


Did you happen to know that in Africa major part of women who have HIV got it from their husbands. Now, are you saying that these people, many of wich have been nothing but faitful to their partners, deserved it. And what about the babies these infected women then give birth to. Worst thing that they have ever done was to penetrate to the world through their mother's vagina causing unimaginable pain, but haven't we all. Probably even this Jesus person you all keep talking about.

They were probably dirty poofs in a past life and hence had it coming!

Or partakers of the crusades.
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Sorry, I have a hard time showing respect for fictional characters. If it's of any consolation to anyone, I talk shit about Pippi Longstocking too... :P

The point is not to have respect for fictional characters, but for the feeling of those who believe in them. Surely you can make your point without resorting to hurting those feelings?
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Come on Christians, your god and his/her son are all powerful. They are quite capable of seeing all and sending disease, pestilence and locusts as their wrath. Never mind an eternity of damnation. In short the deities are quite capable of defending themsleves. I'm quite sure God isn't thinking "damn some guy slagged me on an Internet forum, I sure hope one of my followers defends me as my ADSL connection is down!". It seems to me if one truly believed, one would be content knowing one is correct and God's master plan will prevail. Anyways all the angels are male so I'm sure quiconque will enjoy heaven:)
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In summary, don't f*ck so much, or at least, do not change of couple often, so you won't get HIV or other illnesses.


Did you happen to know that in Africa major part of women who have HIV got it from their husbands. Now, are you saying that these people, many of wich have been nothing but faitful to their partners, deserved it. And what about the babies these infected women then give birth to. Worst thing that they have ever done was to penetrate to the world through their mother's vagina causing unimaginable pain, but haven't we all. Probably even this Jesus person you all keep talking about.

They were probably dirty poofs in a past life and hence had it coming!

Or partakers of the crusades.

Or perhaps they were Christian Gnostic's - it is my belief that they are all worshiping false idols and their fate should be castration (only after forced sex with wolves).


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Petrjanda: you are a poster child for religion!
if anyone doubts that religion is the worst thing to happen to humanity, all they have to do is read your sick posts. I have never in my life seen such ignorance and blind hatred as you expose in your writings. using religion as a shield for your own shortcomings and for your own hatred is just so arch-typical religion and it also shows why religion is not doing anything but harm to people.

You make me sick and all I want to do is puke after reading your insane ramblings. It's sad and sickening that people like you actually exists.

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Anyways all the angels are male so I'm sure quiconque will enjoy heaven:)


Sorry, but no such luck. Angels are supposed to lack genitals from what pop culture tells me...
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In summary, don't f*ck so much, or at least, do not change of couple often, so you won't get HIV or other illnesses.


Did you happen to know that in Africa major part of women who have HIV got it from their husbands. Now, are you saying that these people, many of wich have been nothing but faitful to their partners, deserved it. And what about the babies these infected women then give birth to. Worst thing that they have ever done was to penetrate to the world through their mother's vagina causing unimaginable pain, but haven't we all. Probably even this Jesus person you all keep talking about.

They were probably dirty poofs in a past life and hence had it coming!

Or partakers of the crusades.

But you cannot know that, so you're jumping to conclusions. Besides you are saying the deserve it. That means you assign responsibility to them. And then you say that the responsibility lies in fact with some earlier incarnation of the soul. If so, then they cannot be responsible. Next when is somebody responsible? Do you discount the influence of upbringing;raising by parents and of culture? If you accept determinism then you must accept that responsibilty does not exist. Everything that happens must happen because of what happened before.
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The point is not to have respect for fictional characters, but for the feeling of those who believe in them. Surely you can make your point without resorting to hurting those feelings?


I want their feelings to be hurt. That way, they may think and speak up against people who use their religions to tell sufferors of HIV/AIDS and their friends and families that they deserve it. Maybe they'll see that we, who have had close friends be ravaged by this desease and have buried far too many of them, have the same feelings to be hurt by such vile rhetoric.
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If you, by your own accord, can't see what is so wrong (and shameful) with that sort of rhetoric, then I may very well have to start pitying you.

I dont see what is wrpng shameful about accepting life as it comes, and believing that we just do deserve everything that happens to us? It is not lack of humanity, whenever i see suffering im sadened, whenever i see this seeming "injustice" I call for justice, whenever a friend or person is in trouble i pray for them, whenever someone asks for help, I help them, i always give money in church to those who need it, and I refuse anyone trying to pay me for my help, for they get it for free. Let me ask you: how many people have you helped and wanted nothing in return, just to feel happy that you are of a use to someone who needs it?

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Sure. Ever the heard the one about the magical unicorns before?

pre-adamic creations. i also believe in tje bigfoot and lochness, and most greek myths. :wink:
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Does it not require a bit of "double-think" to help somebody while knowing that they brought it upon themselves. Sort of like busting a rapist out of prison?
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